U. S. Open Cup

[Mikeylito]

Interesting.

Listening to John Strong (a favorite) and Brad Friedel tonight, they emphasized the notion that winning Open Cup helped teams advance more quickly to the top of the league table. They pointed out DC United as an example and pointed out that Philadelphia was trying to do the same thing.

Did City use a first team roster when we played the Cosmos?
I don't remember,

 

[Gavin23]

No but we did use Poku. Kreis blew that game with his ridiculous substitutions. We gave up a 2 point lead im Pretty sure.

 

[LionNYC]

No but we did use Poku. Kreis blew that game with his ridiculous substitutions. We gave up a 2 point lead im Pretty sure.

Poku out for Watson-Siriboe in the 88' then Cosmos equalize. Still bitter about it.

 

[Gavin23]

Poku out for Watson-Siriboe in the 88' then Cosmos equalize. Still bitter about it.

Same bro same

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Poku out for Watson-Siriboe in the 88' then Cosmos equalize. Still bitter about it.

Didn't he pull Hernandez for Wingert first? Then had to blow another sub by moving wingert to FB and bring in Kwame? I can't remember, trying to block it out.

 

[joe]

Wingert on for Hernandez 64'
KWS on for Allen 73'
Grabavoy on for POKU!!! 87'

 

[Gavin23]

I remember this game being the peak of Kreis stupidity.

 

[Paul]

And let's not forget the reason why Wingert was subbed in -- it was Wingert's birthday, plus he's a Long Island boy, and Kreis wanted to get Wingert a cameo in what looked like a 2-0 victory. But let's not reopen that wound.

 

[Mikeylito]

https://twitter.com/x/status/649223219774365696

 

[413Blue]

https://twitter.com/x/status/649223219774365696

Plenty of tickets available if anyone wants to make the last minute drive down!

Personally, I really don't care about this tournament unless it's NYCFC and at least the quarterfinals. This is not the FA Cup, which itself has lost it's luster, it's just a random tournament considered by most MLS participants as a burden.

 

[Mikeylito]

This is not the FA Cup, which itself has lost it's luster, it's just a random tournament considered by most MLS participants as a burden.

This may or may not be true, but if that's the general attitude about this competiton then I don't want to hear anymore about pro/rel or single-table or any of the other complaints about US soccer as compared to world football.

From Wikipedia:
It is the oldest ongoing national soccer competition in the U.S. and the world's third-longest-running open soccer tournament.

Like it or not, The U.S. Open Cup is perfectly analogous to the FA Cup.
It's participants are from every level, professional and amateur, of US association football.
Just because "American" soccer fans aren't sophisticated enough to recognize the importance of the competition just proves how little they understand about the foundations of the sport in this country.

I'll leave it to English football fans just how much luster the FA Cup has for English football.

 

[Goodfella]

I LOVE the US Cup competition. I get why MLS clubs play it down but there is something to be said for these lower division teams taking a shot at beating the MLS giants

 

[413Blue]

This may or may not be true, but if that's the general attitude about this competiton then I don't want to hear anymore about pro/rel or single-table or any of the other complaints about US soccer as compared to world football.

From Wikipedia:
It is the oldest ongoing national soccer competition in the U.S. and the world's third-longest-running open soccer tournament.

Like it or not, The U.S. Open Cup is perfectly analogous to the FA Cup.
It's participants are from every level, professional and amateur, of US association football.
Just because "American" soccer fans aren't sophisticated enough to recognize the importance of the competition just proves how little they understand about the foundations of the sport in this country.

I'll leave it to English football fans just how much luster the FA Cup has for English football.

That's a pretty dumb statement. The tournament is not all that important, their is no importance to recognize. Yes it's old, but MLS is not. If serious money was behind the tournament, then perhaps attitudes would change and teams would not treat it like a financial and competitive burden. Until then, it's just a tournament that is played midweek often in secondary venues.
Just because the English have a similiar tournament structure that holds some relevance across the pond due to generations of tradition, does not mean Americans need to be more sophisticated to understand the point of a side competition.
Unless of course you believe having an English accent and watching Downton Abbey makes an American sophisticated. (Not knocking the show, I actually kind of like what i've seen of it, but much of the other Masterpiece british crap on PBS is weak, but hey they do have british accents!

 

[Mikeylito]

LOL! I've never once watched Downton Abbey.
My level of English PBS content is reruns of Fawlty Towers or Monty Python.

So, basically, because you and people of your ilk feel that it's unimportant that therefore it is.
I suppose that's possible, but then it's equally possible if that is the prevailing "wisdom", then US soccer is doomed.

You're probably one of the people who feels Drogba lighting up MLS goalmouths shows what a great player he is rather than exposing the level of talent in MLS. I suppose that's possible, too.

What do I know? I'm just dumb!

 

[Fantazma]

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i think its mistake hosting the final on weeknight, I thought they changed the format to have the final on a weekend. I guess getting a CCL spot isint worth it. I do think maybe bigger prize money is what would motivate teams to do better. I do like the format of lower level teams playing so i dont want it to die. Though i think USSF will focus more on its promotion and i think even started changing some format for the cup for next years edition. ( i think the qualifiers already started this month).

 

[Mikeylito]

i think its mistake hosting the final on weeknight, I thought they changed the format to have the final on a weekend.

They probably scheduled it for an open Wednesday on the MLS schedule because of the number of matches scheduled on a weekend. If I had to guess, I think the match would be better attended if it were in Kansas City than in Philadelphia. Supporters in Kansas City seem to be more supportive of the overall US soccer agenda.

 

[Mikeylito]

Here are the overnight ratings for last night's U.S. Open Cup Final
between Philadelphia Union and Sporting Kansas City.

333.000 viewers watched the match on ESPN2.
Another 48,000 watched on UDN, totaling 381,000 viewers and a 0.2 rating.
Its primary competition was a Major League Baseball game on ESPN between the St. Louis Cardinals and the Pittsburgh Pirates which had a viewership of 741,000 and a rating of 0.3.

By way of comparison, the highest-rated MLS match this past Sunday, LA Galaxy vs FC Dallas of FS1 had a viewership of 108,000 and a rating of 0.1.

The most recent MLS Wednesday night cablecast between NYCFC and Toronto FC on 16 September had a viewership of 211,000 and a 0.1 rating.

I'll let the numbers speak for themselves.

 

[Falastur]

Merged these threads.

 

[Mikeylito]

Merged these threads.

Thanks.
That was inadvertent.

 

[Falastur]

Thanks.
That was inadvertent.

Not a problem.