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gbservis said:
Prue speculation but there are very reasonable scenarios for why Berhalter knew pre-tournament that are far less controversial than are being painted online. It could have been as simple as Berhalter saying you are going to come off the bench because we can't change the attack to get you on the field as a false-9 because we don't have the time to get the tactics down. In Gio's mind, he is one of the best players on the team so any role where he isn't starting is extremely limited compared to his expectations and could have been seen by Gio as an extremely limited role.
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This is also my best guess as to the convo with one addition. It would make perfect sense to me if GGG followed this with a tactical explanation that Gio would come in if they were chasing games. If they had a lead and were shutting things down, other subs would be used. I hypothesize that it was this combo that really hurt him.

Maybe he could have coped with the role of super-sub, #1 off the bench. But imagining leads against Wales and Iran and then only getting a second half stint against England? My guess is that's what sent him to "very limited role" sulking.

And in fact, ahead against Wales until the end of match, no Gio.
Tied vs England, 83' sub.
Ahead against Iran, no Gio.
Behind Netherlands 2-0, Gio in at the half.
 
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moogoo said:
all very valid points and I agree. but as others have said, the question still remains as to why GB said anything to reyna in the first place? why was one of your best players not calculated into your tactics and game strategy at all? It would seem that Gio was at least 90% able to play and played in the scrimmage where he was described as not even trying. So why would GB tell him in some way or another that he would be coming off the bench? As one of the best players on the squad and at least 90% fit, shouldn't he be in the primary plan with a secondary knowing his role if and when Gio was unable to perform?

I agree with being transparent with a player about his expected role. But it just doesn't make sense to me that you'd exclude one of your best players from your tactics before the tournament even started and then play him in a scrimmage for long enough that he could be seen as not trying. Ya Gio handled the news poorly and he's a kid and will learn from it. doesn't answer or excuse why GB excluded him in the first place.
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I think starting Gio is a lot more complicated than most of the GB out crowd wants to acknowledge. To play him with Pulisic you have to play Gio as a false 9, which completely changes the attacking tactics. So say you go with that to get all of our best players on the pitch, and Gio gets hurt (as he often does recently) what do you do? No one can step into that spot as a backup for Gio, you then have to make substantial foundational changes to the tactics mid-tournament. It's very plausible GB said look you have been injured we went through all of the qualifyings getting used to a setup with a traditional 9 and so we are sticking with it and you are coming off the bench when we need a goal.

Berhalter is a system guy and deserves criticism for being overly rigid at times but every national team at the world cup played a consistent formation with minimal changes to tactics across their games. People watch club teams like man city shift their tactics all over the place game to game and just assume that can be universally applied. National teams don't have enough training time to be that dynamic, at some point you have to choose what you are going with and stick with it.
 
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gbservis said:
I think starting Gio is a lot more complicated than most of the GB out crowd wants to acknowledge. To play him with Pulisic you have to play Gio as a false 9, which completely changes the attacking tactics. So say you go with that to get all of our best players on the pitch, and Gio gets hurt (as he often does recently) what do you do? No one can step into that spot as a backup for Gio, you then have to make substantial foundational changes to the tactics mid-tournament. It's very plausible GB said look you have been injured we went through all of the qualifyings getting used to a setup with a traditional 9 and so we are sticking with it and you are coming off the bench when we need a goal.

Berhalter is a system guy and deserves criticism for being overly rigid at times but every national team at the world cup played a consistent formation with minimal changes to tactics across their games. People watch club teams like man city shift their tactics all over the place game to game and just assume that can be universally applied. National teams don't have enough training time to be that dynamic, at some point you have to choose what you are going with and stick with it.
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Add to that the fact that Gio as a false 9 isn't just a system change, it's an unfamiliar position for Gio. My understanding is that national team managers tend to prefer playing players in the same position they play week in and week out for their club team.
 
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FootyLovin said:
Add to that the fact that Gio as a false 9 isn't just a system change, it's an unfamiliar position for Gio. My understanding is that national team managers tend to prefer playing players in the same position they play week in and week out for their club team.
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USMNT twitter LOVES playing guys in positions they never play as if it's FIFA (the video game)
 
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adam said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

England's Gareth Southgate 'likes the USA as a future destination'

The 52-year-old revealed he will not rush into a decision on his future as Three Lions manager following their disappointing World Cup quarterfinal defeat by France on Saturday.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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There is a better chance of Dome taking over the US Team until Pep Guardiola contracts ends in 2025. Pep comes in and runs the team, wins the World Cup in 2026 and then takes over NYCFC when the stadium is built in 2027. (It still seems unreal that this team is getting a stadium).
 
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Gotham Gator said:
Half of the soccer meatheads on Twitter.
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the thing is that the incident was like 30 years ago, no one outside his family seems to have known about it up until now. so it had to be someone that knows him at a much more personal level than USMNT twitter.
 
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Fantazma said:
the thing is that the incident was like 30 years ago, no one outside his family seems to have known about it up until now. so it had to be someone that knows him at a much more personal level than USMNT twitter.
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The Reynas & Berhalters were couple best friends who lived by each other and kids grew up together. I doubt that’s it. But if it was, that’s a lifetime movie.
 
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JCMore said:
Jeez… I just read the replies to the US soccer tweet and I really wish I hadn’t. I wouldn’t mind Gregg staying but I do appreciate him getting ahead of the curve about a private story 30 years ago. If he gets the boot I really hope it isn’t because of this.
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I was talking about this with friends and I think it’s the exact opposite of him losing his job because of these things coming out. We’ve noticed all has been quiet on the USMNT front and hiring a new manager. No rumors with Gregg or other candidates. That’s quite odd considering we have friendlies coming up and Gregg being out of contract. I think both parties are getting their ducks in a row. Get statements out, do an investigation, realize this isn’t really something to be concerned with as it has been resolved for many, many years.

They couldn’t re-sign him yet because if this news broke after he got a new contract people would be upset that either a) USMNT knew and swept this under the rug or b) their background check into candidates would be called out.

I think after the investigation and how open Gregg and his wife have been it won’t get blown up, all will be resolved and he’ll be back. Honestly, if this is the only thing, if anything, I feel the person doing the black mailing will be the one who ends up getting into trouble.
 
This is the really intriguing part, from the US Soccer statement:
"Through this process, US Soccer has learned about potential inappropriate behavior towards multiple members of our staff by individuals outside our organization. We take such behavior seriously and have expanded our investigation to include those allegations."​

This is wild. It's related somehow, or it would be part of a separate statement and investigation. But there are at least allegations and maybe some evidence that someone outside of USS took inappropriate actions towards US Soccer personnel, and did so in connection with the Berhalter family history info. Which suggests to me that someone contacted not just Gregg but multiple people at USS and - threatened them? Like "fire Gregg or we trash the organizations reputation" blackmail? I can't think what else this could mean.
 
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i don't get it. the post from "GGG" is from a twitter account created THIS MONTH.

did he create it just to post this?
 
mgarbowski said:
This is the really intriguing part, from the US Soccer statement:
"Through this process, US Soccer has learned about potential inappropriate behavior towards multiple members of our staff by individuals outside our organization. We take such behavior seriously and have expanded our investigation to include those allegations."​

This is wild. It's related somehow, or it would be part of a separate statement and investigation. But there are at least allegations and maybe some evidence that someone outside of USS took inappropriate actions towards US Soccer personnel, and did so in connection with the Berhalter family history info. Which suggests to me that someone contacted not just Gregg but multiple people at USS and - threatened them? Like "fire Gregg or we trash the organizations reputation" blackmail? I can't think what else this could mean.
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Yeah this is why I feel as if they’re more defending Gregg then anything. The investigation seems to be a little about what happened with Gregg and his wife, but mostly about the blackmailing
 
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moogoo said:
i don't get it. the post from "GGG" is from a twitter account created THIS MONTH.

did he create it just to post this?
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Yeah it’s confirmed it’s him. So he probably did just that.
 
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Looks like an assistant will be interim. But GGG still in the Mix.

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