USMNT Talk

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Were we expected to win in CR? CR is a very good team, better than the US and they were playign at home. The Mexico loss was worse, but still we lost on a header at 90 minutes to a team that is again better than us.

I don't agree with all of Klinsmann's moves, but these are not egregious losses.

Every coach does things people don't like, the national soccer media just loves circle jerking each other while shitting on the coach. How about they forget Klinsmann for a minute and blame Bradley, Altidore, Jones, Brooks et al who shit the bed routinely for us. We just don't have great players right now and not sure we have a ton coming up the pipeline either. USMNT is a decades long project.

 

[21Architect]

Speaking for myself, I was not expecting a win in Costa Rica. A draw would have been an outstanding result.

But I was not expecting to lose by 4 goals in meltdown fashion.

 

[Gotham Gator]

Yes, the history at CR is bad, and they are a worthy match for us and Mexico (not better, a match).

Still, 4-0 and never competing is just not acceptable. There are 5 months until the next game. We need that time to break in a new coach.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Yes, the history at CR is bad, and they are a worthy match for us and Mexico (not better, a match).

Still, 4-0 and never competing is just not acceptable. There are 5 months until the next game. We need that time to break in a new coach.

That's the issue here i think. Americans can;t accept we are not the best team in Concacaf on talent alone. We have no answer for the talent level of Keylor Navas, Brian Ruiz and Joel Campbell. We have no answer talent wise for chicharito and Gio dos santos. A team centered around Jozy Altidore, Michael Bradley and Jermaine Jones is not at the level of those teams. Johnson and Pulisic are nice, but is anyone game planning against them?

Like Klinsman said, where are the players in the diskerud (26) age group that should be coming into their prime for us right now? Who are the young guys coming to unseat stale Bradley, crazy Jermaine and awful Altidore?

Every team goes through ups and downs with talent. We were up with Donovan and Dempsey, and we are down right now. Klinsmann has done a good job expanding the pool and searching everywhere for talent. Coaching decisions like playing a 352 or moving Fabian Johnson to LB isn't the problem, its talent and we don't have enough.

 

[adam]

I agree that Klinsi's time has run his course as manager. But then where do we go, you don't just make a change for the sake of change? Bradley just took a post and won't leave to come back here with all the bitterness (unless maybe Gulati is axed too). Arena is an intriguing possibility. Or do we want to bring in a foreign manager with little to know knowledge of the US player pool and less then a full cycle to figure it out?

 

[Gotham Gator]

Nice summary of where we stand.

http://americansoccernow.com/articles/as-winter-sets-in-all-eyes-turn-toward-sunil-gulati

 

[Schwallacus]

And it begins
http://www.whoareyadesigns.com/coll...jurgenout?mc_cid=5a40443cb5&mc_eid=a8f6687184

 

[Midas Mulligan]

Were we expected to win in CR? CR is a very good team, better than the US and they were playign at home. The Mexico loss was worse, but still we lost on a header at 90 minutes to a team that is again better than us.

I don't agree with all of Klinsmann's moves, but these are not egregious losses.

Every coach does things people don't like, the national soccer media just loves circle jerking each other while shitting on the coach. How about they forget Klinsmann for a minute and blame Bradley, Altidore, Jones, Brooks et al who shit the bed routinely for us. We just don't have great players right now and not sure we have a ton coming up the pipeline either. USMNT is a decades long project.

You don't think for a minute that our players are better than Costa Rica? Walk through the clubs and performances therein. We are deeper and better than we've ever been.

I think plenty of people blame Bradley and Jones, but neither should have been playing last night. Bradley should be benched for a good long while, and Jones is not and may never again be fit enough to do his wild man thing the way he did in the past - certainly not under these circumstances anyway.

If one guy underperforms with Nats, it's on him. If everyone does, it's time to look beyond the players.

He brings in Danny Williams and hardly gives him a real look. What about Alfredo Morales? Same. And then same shit yet again with Nagbe. We don't have clear replacements because he's refused to risk friendly results to give them a run out. And when he does play them, he gives them no instruction. Now, that goes for everyone apparently, but you don't send a guy in blind and then call that a fair evaluation.

This guy fucked up Bayern Munich. And they damn sure weren't outmanned.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

You don't think for a minute that our players are better than Costa Rica? Walk through the clubs and performances therein. We are deeper and better than we've ever been.

I think plenty of people blame Bradley and Jones, but neither should have been playing last night. Bradley should be benched for a good long while, and Jones is not and may never again be fit enough to do his wild man thing the way he did in the past - certainly not under these circumstances anyway.

If one guy underperforms with Nats, it's on him. If everyone does, it's time to look beyond the players.

He brings in Danny Williams and hardly gives him a real look. What about Alfredo Morales? Same. And then same shit yet again with Nagbe. We don't have clear replacements because he's refused to risk friendly results to give them a run out. And when he does play them, he gives them no instruction. Now, that goes for everyone apparently, but you don't send a guy in blind and then call that a fair evaluation.

This guy fucked up Bayern Munich. And they damn sure weren't outmanned.

When you are looking to Alfredo morales and Danny Williams to save our national team, you've basically proven my point

 

[413Blue]

Tom, you've got to be missing something if you don't see that JK is by far the biggest (not the only of course) problem with the team right now. We are going nowhere with him, he is a disaster.

With the latest rumor of Bruce Arena being in the wings, ready to accept the job if USSF finally makes the right move by ditching the headless horseman, i'm a bit more optimistic that we may actually qualify for the world cup (we won't with JK, he is managerial challenged.) While I would not be excited about bringing back the Bruce during a more standard time, with the situation we are in, i'm not sure we could make a better hire.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

When you are looking to Alfredo morales and Danny Williams to save our national team, you've basically proven my point

Best player on his c'ship team and a regular Bundesliga starter. Are they ready for wcq now? No. But whose fault is that? We just got boatraced by mls dudes.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Best player on his c'ship team and a regular Bundesliga starter. Are they ready for wcq now? No. But whose fault is that? We just got boatraced by mls dudes.

Young MLS dudes on their way to better leagues plus stars, vs guys looking to coast for their last paycheck

 

[Midas Mulligan]

Young MLS dudes on their way to better leagues plus stars, vs guys looking to coast for their last paycheck

Bradley and Altidore aren't that old. And you think they were coasting when they dropped us 7-0? Didn't look like coasting.

Look, I don't think much of either of them, but the same applies to them as everyone else. They get into national team and it all goes to shit. That's a management failure.

Bottom line, the us has players equal to or better than CR at every position excepting keeper. You could argue Campbell is better than Wood , but he's never been a lock starter in a top Euro league. and maybe Borges would challenge for a spot in the US (he wouldn't get it under Klinsy b/c Klinsy) Where else? You're overstating those CR guys status in the league. It's just not true. Bolanos didn't produce as much as fat messi. Venegas doesn't even start all the time (very rarely I think). And we know what a joke Matarrita is when it comes to defending, yet we couldn't burn his ass with two Champions League level starting wingers. That's fucking coaching malpractice, man.

I can't believe you're even attempting to defend a 4-0 loss. That's a coaching failure. No way around it.

You just keep repeating the players suck, but don't refute the point that they only suck for Klinsy. Look at the player quotes for anyone who's played for him. He's full of new age mumbo jumbo to the exclusion of anything tactical. Hell, he's even managed to take away run fast, try hard. Fucking travesty.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

T Tom in Fairfield CT
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/usmnt-must-move-on-from-jurgen-klinsmann-era-064125425.html

Did you read Bobby Warshaw's article? Do you watch the games? Do you think it's okay to ask Timmy Chandler to cover an entire flank alone while you pinch in any prospective cover and have a static CB starting? WTF!?!?!!?

I would like to read a real justification for why Klinsy shouldn't be out the door yesterday. He is horrendous. I don't think there's an argument for keeping him.

 

[413Blue]

T Tom in Fairfield CT
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/usmnt-must-move-on-from-jurgen-klinsmann-era-064125425.html

Did you read Bobby Warshaw's article? Do you watch the games? Do you think it's okay to ask Timmy Chandler to cover an entire flank alone while you pinch in any prospective cover and have a static CB starting? WTF!?!?!!?

I would like to read a real justification for why Klinsy shouldn't be out the door yesterday. He is horrendous. I don't think there's an argument for keeping him.

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JK is from EUROPE! He is so amazing at football, unfortunately we have too many MLS players that need to be playing in EUROPE so that they can understand JK's brilliant system that succeeded so well at Bayern Munich. That's the only way we can compete at the level of players in the Costa RIcan league.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

T Tom in Fairfield CT
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/usmnt-must-move-on-from-jurgen-klinsmann-era-064125425.html

Did you read Bobby Warshaw's article? Do you watch the games? Do you think it's okay to ask Timmy Chandler to cover an entire flank alone while you pinch in any prospective cover and have a static CB starting? WTF!?!?!!?

I would like to read a real justification for why Klinsy shouldn't be out the door yesterday. He is horrendous. I don't think there's an argument for keeping him.

I have read the pearl clutching soccer writers articles all circling the roadkill, like they've wanted since he's been hired. But I also remember when their champion Bob Bradley, sat us in a shitty 4222 despite having Donovan and dempsey. Just because you don't like kinsman doesn't mean someone else will be better with the same talent.
National team coaches don't get to teach their players anything. They get what they can for a week and it's up to the players to play together.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

I have read the pearl clutching soccer writers articles all circling the roadkill, like they've wanted since he's been hired. But I also remember when their champion Bob Bradley, sat us in a shitty 4222 despite having Donovan and dempsey. Just because you don't like kinsman doesn't mean someone else will be better with the same talent.
National team coaches don't get to teach their players anything. They get what they can for a week and it's up to the players to play together.

To me, that limited timeframe would indicate the need for more specific instruction. Don't you think it's weird that seemingly every decent manager can pull apart the team and stop us going forward so easily?

To me, "it may not be better" isn't sufficient reason to stick with something that clearly isn't working. And he's doing the Kreis thing of throwing players under the bus. One more chance and it may be too late to make a change.

I'm not happy with Bruce or Sigi, but bring one in to get us to WC 2018 and then get Pareja to take over. By then, we'll have had Pep at NYCFC and Oscar teaching the right things for a few years, so Pep can step right in and win the WC on American soil. That's how it works in my plan, anyway.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

To me, that limited timeframe would indicate the need for more specific instruction. Don't you think it's weird that seemingly every decent manager can pull apart the team and stop us going forward so easily?

To me, "it may not be better" isn't sufficient reason to stick with something that clearly isn't working. And he's doing the Kreis thing of throwing players under the bus. One more chance and it may be too late to make a change.

I'm not happy with Bruce or Sigi, but bring one in to get us to WC 2018 and then get Pareja to take over. By then, we'll have had Pep at NYCFC and Oscar teaching the right things for a few years, so Pep can step right in and win the WC on American soil. That's how it works in my plan, anyway.

You could be right, I just have less faith in our core players than many other american fans do. I think the fact that Pulisic is starting at 18 is insane. It shows there is no one at all in attack for him to have to push out. He plays very light, easily knocked off the ball, and could use a few more years in the gym before he is starting for the nats. But JK doesn't have that luxury. I think he has tried to find another option for RB other than Chandler, who never plays well for the nats, but can't, we just don't have the talent right now ready to play. If you didnt like Chandlers defense you would have hated Yedlin's defense who is like Matarrita with worse defense. Matt Besler is the only choice for LB since Beasley?

I think the knee jerk reaction is: there have to be better players out there that JK is not choosing, but I don't think that is reality. Anyone who has performed for us has been slotted right in there, a la Brooks and Bobby Wood.

 

[SoupInNYC]

You could be right, I just have less faith in our core players than many other american fans do. I think the fact that Pulisic is starting at 18 is insane. It shows there is no one at all in attack for him to have to push out. He plays very light, easily knocked off the ball, and could use a few more years in the gym before he is starting for the nats. But JK doesn't have that luxury. I think he has tried to find another option for RB other than Chandler, who never plays well for the nats, but can't, we just don't have the talent right now ready to play. If you didnt like Chandlers defense you would have hated Yedlin's defense who is like Matarrita with worse defense. Matt Besler is the only choice for LB since Beasley?

I think the knee jerk reaction is: there have to be better players out there that JK is not choosing, but I don't think that is reality. Anyone who has performed for us has been slotted right in there, a la Brooks and Bobby Wood.

You're think of the old Yedlin. Post-Sunderland Yedlin has been drastically better defensively. And head and shoulders above what Timmy Chandler gave us Tuesday night.

I thought the last time Timmy Chandler played for the USMNT before these two qualifiers was going to be his last he was so dreadful. I was shocked he was called in, and then even moreso that he was getting any playing time, let alone starting.

Then he was allowed to continue to be on the field Tuesday night, even after a first half that was completely dreadful.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

You're think of the old Yedlin. Post-Sunderland Yedlin has been drastically better defensively. And head and shoulders above what Timmy Chandler gave us Tuesday night.

I thought the last time Timmy Chandler played for the USMNT before these two qualifiers was going to be his last he was so dreadful. I was shocked he was called in, and then even moreso that he was getting any playing time, let alone starting.

Then he was allowed to continue to be on the field Tuesday night, even after a first half that was completely dreadful.

I'm pretty sure that Chandler isn't the (only) problem so much as what he was asked to do. He was getting overloaded. Because he didn't have any help over there and Gonzalez is a high-functioning vegetable, it was a very intentional tactic to fill those areas and make him have all sorts of decisions. Pair that with an unfamiliar CB pairing, and it's going to get you killed more often than not.

To me, I could go either way between Chandler and Yedlin. But if you want one guy to run the whole flank, you pretty much have to go Yedlin with his wheels.