2016 Presidential Election
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I could go on and on asking Hillary supporter's about a long list of things that "bother" me. Basically, lot's of things bother me about both candidates, I just happen to be least bothered by Trump.
As for what you mentioned. No, it does not bother me. When you own numerous businesses, you have lawsuits, especially when you are a celebrity and running for President, everyone wants to get a piece. Hillary has as much if not more skeletons in her closet. If you can point to where Trump interviewed and hired foreign workers, or directed his managers to do so, then i'll find interest in that issue. Assuming he was not directly involved in the hiring of illegal workers, I don't care.
What has he ever said that was racist, bigoted, misogynistic, xenophobic and false? (He may have said something that fits those categories, I just don't remember any of the quotes, except for the Rosie stuff, which was more of a feud than misogynistic) If you are referring to his launch speech with the Mexican stuff.....well, technically it was all correct, ask people along the southern border. He should have been much more PC about it and not tried to imply that it was pretty much all Mexicans, but ask people along the border if they want better security. Bottomline is that (some of the) Mexicans are bringing drugs, crime, rape etc. over the border.
I would be more comfortable with Trump if he was less built on anger and acted more "Presidential", but it is what it is.
I'm not the guy going out with Trump stickers and signs, or posting about him on facebook, or donating money, so i'm not incredibly invested in this election. I find the whole saga interesting, like I do sports and I like to discuss it. However, now that Bernie is out and our country is saved from the devastation that populism and socialism deliver, i'm not going to be heartbroken at the end of the day. The result of the election will have only slightly more impact on my emotions than an NYCFC win or loss.
Does any of it really matter? As we've seen throughout history, they are all for themselves and their party...no matter democrat or republican. I myself am a registered independent. Don't lecture me about your party beliefs, because it's all bullshit and I you didn't share the kool aid. Trump is going to win, because the world is fucked up right now and deep down people are scared for themselves/family. There's a lot of layers for Trump to do anything crazy if he was POTUS, so the "he's going to ruin everything" rhetoric doesn't hold water. For me, politicians are snakes. I don't trust them. They don't care about mine or the citizens best interest. It's about votes. I'll vote for Trump cause he's not a politician, doesn't need the position and could hopefully expose the politics that screw the American people over on a daily basis. I have thick skin...he's brashness and insults don't concern me. Last I looked, the people killing innocent people around the world aren't PC either, so fight fire with fire, not hugs. Peace 
What a mistake this thread is lol.
What a mistake this thread is lol.
God I hate this topic. But you did pose this question. So I'll answer.
The last time I heard this moral equivalency argument was 16 years ago. I think that no war in Iraq and lots more investment in renewable energy would have made a difference to the world I want for me and my kids, just to name a couple of differences there would have been. There is a time for moral equivalency. But it was a bad choice 16 years ago and it's a bad choice today.
If you're for Trump, be for Trump. But of all the times to say that all politicians and what each party represents are the same, this is not a time when that holds true.
OTOH, I totally agree when you say:
Aren't you pulling a psychological trick on yourself with your ideals about how much different things would have been if someone else were elected 16 years ago? What about 70? Maybe the democratic party doesn't even exist at this point if war doesn't lift FDR to repeated terms while concurrently lifting the economy.
Just saying.
This is all bullshit. It's why I don't vote or read about. Literally, no fucks given because I believe it doesn't much matter. The machine is too powerful. You're steering a train, that's all.
No, when I talk about 2000, I'm not talking about campaign promises. I'm talking about one candidate who worked tirelessly to bring us a trumped up and unnecessary war and another who worked tirelessly to fight for environmental causes. That all happened after the election and the promises were done. If you can't see a difference between those two, then I understand why you don't want to follow or be involved in politics.
To be clear, I think party politics is horrible. And I don't think every election has a "good" and a "bad" candidate. But nor do I think there is no difference.
If you think we would have the same outcomes regardless of who sits in the chair, then I support your view to not vote. But this too I think is false equivalency.
- They all lie, so they're all the same.
- They all take money from lobbyists, so they're all the same.
- They are all narcissists, so they're all the same.
And BTW, sweet Jesus do I hate this thread.
One other appeal that the Donald has to many voters is what they perceive as authenticity. When Donald is speaking, or tweeting, or in a media interview, people feel that it is him speaking his mind. While many of his policy's are rather vague, shifting or unclear, it actually seems like he means what he says at the time. While Hillary and just about every major politician is quite the opposite. Their speeches are written by a team of writers after doing complex research and focus groups and data, designed to get the maximum appeal to the audience. Every media interview is thoroughly rehearsed, with a stockpile of buzz words, quips, party lines and the such all ready to go. Often times, as we saw with Obama, what they say during the campaign bares virtually no relevance to what they actually do once elected.
Donald Trump gives the appearance as though he does little or none of that, and for that reason, what he says is seems more trustworthy than what the DNC, focus groups, special interests groups and poll numbers are telling Hillary to say.
Donald Trump gives the appearance as though he does little or none of that, and for that reason, what he says is seems more trustworthy than what the DNC, focus groups, special interests groups and poll numbers are telling Hillary to say.
I don't think there is anything illegal about hiring foreign workers on worker visas. Florida is filled with them. They pretty much run our agricultural businesses and play a large roll in kitchen jobs as well. I have no affiliation in this race but it does irk me when I see how much people are just blatantly lying or spewing misinformation and others are just gobbling it all up.
There is a very large difference between legal and illegal immigration. I came here legally as did millions upon millions of Americans. Trump wants to stop illegal immigration and perhaps his entire plan rests on creating jobs and limiting welfare so it's very imperative that he does. The left apparently wants to stop it too. They don't want to build a wall tho. They really don't want to do much of anything besides what's being done now which isn't nearly enough. Btw we have walls up already throughout the border and fencing fit for a prison. We're not exactly putting up welcome signs.
The thing I've ran into with a lot of people is they can rant about why they're not voting for trump but can't say much at all about why Hillary should be in office.
There is a very large difference between legal and illegal immigration. I came here legally as did millions upon millions of Americans. Trump wants to stop illegal immigration and perhaps his entire plan rests on creating jobs and limiting welfare so it's very imperative that he does. The left apparently wants to stop it too. They don't want to build a wall tho. They really don't want to do much of anything besides what's being done now which isn't nearly enough. Btw we have walls up already throughout the border and fencing fit for a prison. We're not exactly putting up welcome signs.
The thing I've ran into with a lot of people is they can rant about why they're not voting for trump but can't say much at all about why Hillary should be in office.
Dan, I think you misconstrued my earlier comment about the workers he wants to get the visas for for his Florida business - that action is exactly opposite of his battle cries to keep jobs in America, yea the job is here but it's importing the labor as opposed to hiring local.
If you want to take this to a private session, I'm happy to explain the reasoning people have for HRC. It's not that the reasons aren't out there, it's that they're so plainly obvious that that dissenters can't see the forest through the tree and miss them completely.
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