Frank Lampard Thread

[Narrowback gal]

Let me complain, man. Lampard knew that he would sit the bench and he knew that City would lose every competition they were in

At the very least, taking that risk was more important to him than being here to start NYCFC. Every one of our players talked about how important Sunday was to them and to the club. You could see it on Villa's face. Frankie boy though couldn't care less about that or us- so he shouldn't be surprised when NY returns the favor.

 

[SayWhat44]

Let me complain, man. Lampard knew that he would sit the bench and he knew that City would lose every competition they were in

He was playing a lot and doing very well when he made the decision. He got caught up in the moment and thought he might be able to win another championship and be a major contributor. He was wrong and it is what it is. I certainly will welcome him back he's going to help our club a lot when he gets here.

 

[typicalcity]

Or maybe he didn't think he'd end up playing only 5 mins a game?

Before Xmas nobody thought he would play anything bar league cup games,but he scored a few goals that covered up some poor performance s.since Xmas the poor performance s have continued but with no goals to cover them up ,hence his game time has reduced to pretty much zero.city are now stuck in a race to stay in the top four weather his experience will be used to close games down ,I don't know.as he certainly hasnt
got the legs for 90 mins of EPL football.but on the plus side for you guys franks game has always been about timing his runs to arrive unmarked and having watched the defences in mls the last two weeks ,the one area of ability vthat lets the league down badly he will score buckets of goals for you.
If I was running any mls team I would make an experienced centre half one of my DPs

 

[JayH]

The way I look at it now is that he made a choice that had a variety of potential upsides and downsides for him. It turned out to have mostly downsides, i.e. bad publicity, no trophies, a toxic environment due to MC's shortcomings, and missing what turned out to be a special and one-of-a-kind experience here in NYC (not to mention some grief he will get when he returns). So he has had (and will continue to have) to live with what turned out to be a poor choice and I think that's enough at this point. Right now I am primarily and selfishly concerned with our team having success and winning games. If Frank returns and adds to that, I welcome it. I won't ever buy his jersey and he won't ever be a favorite player of mine for obvious reasons, but I will appreciate and support whatever value he adds to our team (which I am hopeful will be substantial.)

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Funny that Pellegrini couldn't shut up about Frank in December, but I haven't heard a peep from him on the subject since the move.

 

[NYCFC3rdDP]

Well at least he'll be fresh when he gets here and not completely worn out - that's not a forgiveness tweet about this debacle but the reality of it all... Bright side

 

[Gene]

Funny that Pellegrini couldn't shut up about Frank in December, but I haven't heard a peep from him on the subject since the move.

Probably because he's worried more about his own ass nowadays. Just how does one go about collecting unemployment in the UK?

 

[MikeDatTiger]

ok, there's some revisionist history going on here. Let me set you straight:

When Lampard arrived in Manchester, it was assumed he was a rotation player for League Cup and low level FA Cup matches, possibly even some league games to provide rotation when there were midweek UCL matches.

The season starts, and David Silva goes down. Yaya decides to start a year long campaign of suck. Fernandinho rambles about the pitch muttering "7 nil 7 nil 7 nil." Then the forwards have injuries: Dzeko is hurt; Jovetic is hurt. Suddenly MC find themselves shorthanded in need of a larger midfield.

In comes Frank. When City are dealt a terrible week of @Arsenal, @Bayern Munich, home at Chelsea, they need Lampard to come in. He does...and he's the hero. He gets more playing time, such that he becomes a key figure in setting up Aguero's hat trick to beat Bayern Munich.

In a season of disappointing midfielders, suddenly everyone in England thinks Lampard is essential to Man City's trophy hopes. It was always ridiculous, but Pellegrini was never going to risk that it wasn't just for NYCFC and Lampard let himself get flattered.

Now instead of coming to MLS as "guy who's getting playing time at a top English contender" he's "guy getting garbage minutes for a team trying to hang on to a UCL spot for next year." It's a disaster for MLS and a disaster for Lampard. Instead of the glowing press he'd get if he had come on time, all he'll get is negative because there's no positive play to offset it. If he waits until August to come, there's a good chance he just gets to sit on the bench because the team chemistry that NYCFC have already established and will only be solidifying in the coming months doesn't leave an easy place for Mix and Frank.

But yeah, MLS just ought to sell Lampard back to MCFC. MCFC need English players especially with Milner waffling on a deal and Lampard seems content with filling out a roster. NYCFC has better uses for the DP spot.

 

[Lasker]

But yeah, MLS just ought to sell Lampard back to MCFC. MCFC need English players especially with Milner waffling on a deal and Lampard seems content with filling out a roster. NYCFC has better uses for the DP spot.

Is this an actual possibility? I mean, losing Lampard completely would look pretty bad, but if we had nailed down another oft-rumored-to-be-interested world class midfielder with proven chemistry with our #1 striker by that point, it seems like it would be a pure win.

 

[Nicholas Constantino]

Is this an actual possibility? I mean, losing Lampard completely would look pretty bad, but if we had nailed down another oft-rumored-to-be-interested world class midfielder with proven chemistry with our #1 striker by that point, it seems like it would be a pure win.

I don't see it as losing Lampard, I would see it as us saying we are better of without him and the drama he comes with. He clearly doesn't want to be a NYCFC player.

 

[roxfontaine]

Very much in agreement with Mike and Nicholas here. MLS needs to make a bold statement about the increasing quality of this league. The club/league need to cut the cord on Lampard and sign another DP that wants to get into the energy that is happening in MLS and especially at NYCFC.

 

[JayH]

Very much in agreement with Mike and Nicholas here. MLS needs to make a bold statement about the increasing quality of this league. The club/league need to cut the cord on Lampard and sign another DP that wants to get into the energy that is happening in MLS and especially at NYCFC.

Yes, that would be the best-case scenario, but I suspect an unlikely one (however the way this saga has unfolded, nothing would surprise me!) My only point of my post was to suggest that he made a bad decision and rightfully suffered the repercussions. And if (most likely when) he ends up here, I will appreciate and welcome any value he adds to the team (regardless of how I feel about him personally). It may be a lot of value, maybe some, possibly marginal. I wonder whether Frank would have been a DP consideration this summer had he never been affiliated with NYC, had just played a final EPL season this year, and became free this summer.

 

[MikeDatTiger]

Is this an actual possibility? I mean, losing Lampard completely would look pretty bad, but if we had nailed down another oft-rumored-to-be-interested world class midfielder with proven chemistry with our #1 striker by that point, it seems like it would be a pure win.

At this point, I don't think it would look bad. What's already happened looks bad, but it's been weathered and NYCFC just enjoyed 43,000 cheering on a Frank Lampard-less team.

Now, I don't think it's likely. Kreis just did an interview insisting that Lampard wasn't one foot in the door one foot out, but "two feet in." Then again, Kreis & Reyna have had the rug pulled from underneath them before.

I'd much much rather have Xavi and DeRossi then Xavi/Lampard.

 

[NYCFCfan]

I wonder whether Frank would have been a DP consideration this summer had he never been affiliated with NYC, had just played a final EPL season this year, and became free this summer.

I'm going to say no.

He's going to be 37 when he arrives. He hasn't had any time off between the PL, the World Cup and the PL before that.

No way Kreis would put his money on him as a DP. I'm sure he'd have opted for a De Rossi or Xavi.

 

[typicalcity]

ok, there's some revisionist history going on here. Let me set you straight:

When Lampard arrived in Manchester, it was assumed he was a rotation player for League Cup and low level FA Cup matches, possibly even some league games to provide rotation when there were midweek UCL matches.

The season starts, and David Silva goes down. Yaya decides to start a year long campaign of suck. Fernandinho rambles about the pitch muttering "7 nil 7 nil 7 nil." Then the forwards have injuries: Dzeko is hurt; Jovetic is hurt. Suddenly MC find themselves shorthanded in need of a larger midfield.

In comes Frank. When City are dealt a terrible week of @Arsenal, @Bayern Munich, home at Chelsea, they need Lampard to come in. He does...and he's the hero. He gets more playing time, such that he becomes a key figure in setting up Aguero's hat trick to beat Bayern Munich.

In a season of disappointing midfielders, suddenly everyone in England thinks Lampard is essential to Man City's trophy hopes. It was always ridiculous, but Pellegrini was never going to risk that it wasn't just for NYCFC and Lampard let himself get flattered.

Now instead of coming to MLS as "guy who's getting playing time at a top English contender" he's "guy getting garbage minutes for a team trying to hang on to a UCL spot for next year." It's a disaster for MLS and a disaster for Lampard. Instead of the glowing press he'd get if he had come on time, all he'll get is negative because there's no positive play to offset it. If he waits until August to come, there's a good chance he just gets to sit on the bench because the team chemistry that NYCFC have already established and will only be solidifying in the coming months doesn't leave an easy place for Mix and Frank.

But yeah, MLS just ought to sell Lampard back to MCFC. MCFC need English players especially with Milner waffling on a deal and Lampard seems content with filling .out a roster. NYCFC has better uses for the DP spot.

Most of that post is what I said and I agree with you.the few goals he scored for me masked how poor he's been for me and I get to see him from 20 feet away each match.
The reason he plays so little since Xmas is because when he has had chances he's been crap.
I totally agree a complete and utter balls up from start to Finish and No one including nycfc who were well aware what contracts/pre contracts he had signed comes out of this mess well

 

[MikeDatTiger]

Most of that post is what I said and I agree with you.the few goals he scored for me masked how poor he's been for me and I get to see him from 20 feet away each match.
The reason he plays so little since Xmas is because when he has had chances he's been crap.
I totally agree a complete and utter balls up from start to Finish and No one including nycfc who were well aware what contracts/pre contracts he had signed comes out of this mess well

I'd also add that once Silva came back, there wasn't really any place on the squad for Lampard. Silva came back beginning of December I think and it's no coincidence that after a few chances with Silva, Lampard's time went back to nil.

 

[typicalcity]

Before Xmas nobody thought he would play anything bar league cup games,but he scored a few goals that covered up some poor performance s.since Xmas the poor performance s have continued but with no goals to cover them up ,hence his game time has reduced to pretty much zero.city are now stuck in a race to stay in the top four weather his experience will be used to close games down ,I don't know.as he certainly hasnt
got the legs for 90 mins of EPL football.but on the plus side for you guys franks game has always been about timing his runs to arrive unmarked and having watched the defences in mls the last two weeks ,the one area of ability vthat lets the league down badly he will score buckets of goals for you.
If I was running any mls team I would make an experienced centre half one of my DPs

I'd also add that once Silva came back, there wasn't really any place on the squad for Lampard. Silva came back beginning of December I think and it's no coincidence that after a few chances with Silva, Lampard's time went back to nil.

No place in the starting 11 but worth a place on the bench.as you are awhere frank has the unique ability to time his runs to perfection .but even that since Xmas has gone to pot

 

[Lasker]

I expressed myself poorly. I'm ready to root for Lampard if he comes but given how things went down with MCFC, the way the team has shaped up, and the better DP opportunities we appear to have now, I think we can do better. Xavi and no Lampard would be a fantastic outcome. When I referred to looking bad I meant the possibility of not having Lampard or another DP to replace him. But NYCFC fan makes a good point, even aside from any personal grudges, Lampard looks like a lot less appealing now.

 

[MikeDatTiger]

No place in the starting 11 but worth a place on the bench.as you are awhere frank has the unique ability to time his runs to perfection .but even that since Xmas has gone to pot

Could just be the curse of NYCFC. Once he betrayed NYCFC, he got the bad no-goal scoring juju. Once the karma is set right by his return, he'll resume his place as a great goal scorer.

At least, that's the best argument I can conceive of at the moment to be excited about his return.

 

[typicalcity]

Could just be the curse of NYCFC. Once he betrayed NYCFC, he got the bad no-goal scoring juju. Once the karma is set right by his return, he'll resume his place as a great goal scorer.

At least, that's the best argument I can conceive of at the moment to be excited about his return.

I agree his form went off at the same time as the shit hit the fan.
I think looking at how bad ,pub standard the defences are in mls you just know he will score shit loads ,they won't have a clue he's coming
On a side note we've met frank about ,6 times and he's one of our better pro s and I think he will be a good ambassador for the club off the pitch.
I don't know how much you can actually blame him for any of this ,at the end of the day your an employee and you do/go where you told .
Do you agree about maybe having a decent centre half as a DP ?