General MLS Discussion

No. They pushed it back. First games are Dec 30 and January 1.


There's a first round before that.

 
There's a first round before that.

Sigh.
I thought there was a round before the quarterfinals, but I read that article twice to check for any mention. And I thought: "The CFP organization cannot be so incompetent at communicating that they would announce the dates of the semis and quarters without even mentioning the first round." But they are that incompetent.
 
Nashville and Miami draw 1-1 in CCL action.

Nashville advances to the next round on the away goals rule.

Miami is finished.

Jerry Seinfeld Popcorn GIF by Sheets & Giggles
 
Miami predicted reaction to result: "Concacaf is outdated with the away goal rule. It will never be an elite competition keeping that rule. "
 
Nashville has an extraordinary defense.
There are signs Miami is not quite what it was last year, though it's still is likely a top 3-4 team in MLS.

They are integrating a number of new players, it will be interesting to see what they look like come playoff time. I do think they miss Alba and Busquets, They were both well past their primes but they knew exactly how to play with Messi.
 
They're gonna protest the result and get it expunged like Morocco did to Senegal.

Senegal being stripped of the title is by the afcon book. They left the field. They should have forfeit on the spot.

I was just kidding about Miami but it seems like something they'd say
 
Or just that they're not all plastic one-time Messi supporters?
FWIW, I get the hate toward Miami. I really didn't like the YS experience on Sunday. But I also spent several years rooting for Barcelona because of how much I liked Messi and rooting against Real Madrid because of how much I disliked Ronaldo. Now, years later, I still root for Barcelona and against RM. No good reason for it. I just do.

I think Miami is going to have a ton of fans around the country for a long time to come, well beyond Messi. Lots and lots of people with Miami jerseys. Those Messi souvenirs turn into psychological anchors holding them to the team. A lot of those people will once again ignore MLS completely once Messi goes. But a lot of those people will stay, especially since he will have an ownership stake afterwards. Even without him on the field, rooting for Miami will be a form of rooting for him.

I've never fully understood the term "plastic" in this context. What makes fandom artificial vs real? One thing is for sure, the volume of the "Messi, Messi" chants on Sunday felt reverberatingly real.
 
FWIW, I get the hate toward Miami. I really didn't like the YS experience on Sunday. But I also spent several years rooting for Barcelona because of how much I liked Messi and rooting against Real Madrid because of how much I disliked Ronaldo. Now, years later, I still root for Barcelona and against RM. No good reason for it. I just do.

I think Miami is going to have a ton of fans around the country for a long time to come, well beyond Messi. Lots and lots of people with Miami jerseys. Those Messi souvenirs turn into psychological anchors holding them to the team. A lot of those people will once again ignore MLS completely once Messi goes. But a lot of those people will stay, especially since he will have an ownership stake afterwards. Even without him on the field, rooting for Miami will be a form of rooting for him.

I've never fully understood the term "plastic" in this context. What makes fandom artificial vs real? One thing is for sure, the volume of the "Messi, Messi" chants on Sunday felt reverberatingly real.
Plastic is the wrong word for it. it's not fake, and the word is another dumb English soccer lingo import. It doesn't even make sense in England because the fandom is real. The emotions and passion are real. They just have the wrong origin. The proper word is not plastic but frontrunner. It's not as catchy but it makes sense.
Though such fandom is real, it deserves scorn. There are several good reasons to become a fan of a team or player: geography (at any time in your life), family history, personal connection, a few others. But becoming a fan of a team to which you have no connection because it wins or has a superstar player? Pfft. I don't respect.
80+% of US soccer fans are fans of the same 8-10 teams in Europe and magically - they all play regularly in Champions League! Pathetic.
Yes, I'm judging almost every soccer fan I know. Sorry not sorry. I even know that until 10-15 years ago those were the only teams you could reliably watch or even get good info regarding. I don't care.
It's OK to respect and admire world class players on other teams. But rooting for them? No. Bird, Jordan, LeBron, Brady, Moss, Mahomes, Gretzky, Crosby, Maddux, Griffey, Oh, Messi, Ronaldo. No, you cannot root for them especially not ever against your own local team. "I just admire excellence." So do I, but I don't sell my allegiance for an endorphin hit. I guess rooting tor Barca over Madrid or vice versa is harmless. But Miami over New York? Unless you're a very rare Miami to NY transplant who grew up rooting for . . . No, that doesn't even work. The team was created 6 years ago. There aren't even dozens of such people.
And the kids. I guess you can't blame the kids but you can blame the parents who indulge it.

PS: NFL fandom in the US is a weird special case. I have a theory which I've never seen anyone else state. But then I've never seen any theories to explain why NFL fandom shades much more national than local compared to other US sports. But it clearly is. Pittsburgh, Dallas, the Raiders all have massive fanbases dispersed all over the country. I'm confident that most other NFL teams have larger non-local fanbases than average teams in other US sports. In short, it's TV. Not just that every game ever has always been produced and shown by a national network, but way back to when I was a kid there was a very stringent local blackout rule that prevented at least half and often more games from being shown locally. I believe that's why the biggest national NFL teams date to the 1970s. The Raiders haven't been good ever since that decade. The Steelers are usually good but have only flashed excellence briefly in the last 50 years. Dallas did blossom again in the 90s but they're in their third decade of disappointment now. Yet they all have huge fandoms all over the country. Packers too. Massive in the 1960 to early 70s, then terrible until Favre showed up. They've been good since then, but their national roots date to the 60s-70s. The local blackout rules went away a half-century ago but it seems that part of NFL culture never went away.
My non-local no-connection fandom shame is the Minnesota Vikings, because when I was a kid they were on TV probably more than either local NY team. The first NFL game I remember watching was them losing Super Bowl 4, and they've never won before or since so the joke is on me I guess.
 
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Plastic is the wrong word for it. it's not fake, and the word is another dumb English soccer lingo import. It doesn't even make sense in England because the fandom is real. The emotions and passion are real. They just have the wrong origin. The proper word is not plastic but frontrunner. It's not as catchy but it makes sense.
Though such fandom is real, it deserves scorn. There are several good reasons to become a fan of a team or player: geography (at any time in your life), family history, personal connection, a few others. But becoming a fan of a team to which you have no connection because it wins or has a superstar player? Pfft. I don't respect.
80+% of US soccer fans are fans of the same 8-10 teams in Europe and magically - they all play regularly in Champions League! Pathetic.
Yes, I'm judging almost every soccer fan I know. Sorry not sorry. I even know that until 10-15 years ago those were the only teams you could reliably watch or even get good info regarding. I don't care.
It's OK to respect and admire world class players on other teams. But rooting for them? No. Bird, Jordan, LeBron, Brady, Moss, Mahomes, Gretzky, Crosby, Maddux, Griffey, Oh, Messi, Ronaldo. No, you cannot root for them especially not ever against your own local team. "I just admire excellence." So do I, but I don't sell my allegiance for an endorphin hit. I guess rooting tor Barca over Madrid or vice versa is harmless. But Miami over New York? Unless you're a very rare Miami to NY transplant who grew up rooting for . . . No, that doesn't even work. The team was created 6 years ago. There aren't even dozens of such people.
And the kids. I guess you can't blame the kids but you can blame the parents who indulge it.

PS: NFL fandom in the US is a weird special case. I have a theory which I've never seen anyone else state. But then I've never seen any theories to explain why NFL fandom shades much more national than local compared to other US sports. But it clearly is. Pittsburgh, Dallas, the Raiders all have massive fanbases dispersed all over the country. I'm confident that most other NFL teams have larger non-local fanbases than average teams in other US sports. In short, it's TV. Not just that every game ever has always been produced and shown by a national network, but way back to when I was a kid there was a very stringent local blackout rule that prevented at least half and often more games from being shown locally. I believe that's why the biggest national NFL teams date to the 1970s. The Raiders haven't been good ever since that decade. The Steelers are usually good but have only flashed excellence briefly in the last 50 years. Dallas did blossom again in the 90s but they're in their third decade of disappointment now. Yet they all have huge fandoms all over the country. Packers too. Massive in the 1960 to early 70s, then terrible until Favre showed up. They've been good since then, but their national roots date to the 60s-70s. The local blackout rules went away a half-century ago but it seems that part of NFL culture never went away.
My non-local no-connection fandom shame is the Minnesota Vikings, because when I was a kid they were on TV probably more than either local NY team. The first NFL game I remember watching was them losing Super Bowl 4, and they've never won before or since so the joke is on me I guess.
I guess I'm just in a different camp. This is a personal choice. What standard will I uphold for myself in selecting teams to root for? What will I respect and what will I disdain in others?

Growing up in LA I had zero family members or friends with any interest in professional sports. It was like they didn't even exist. Then, just before I turned 9, I moved to upstate NY. Every single friend I made was crazy about sports. They all had their teams. I had no idea how to even consider this. So, I chose the Lakers and the Knicks for basketball (geography - mgarb seal of approval?), the Mets for baseball because I watched a game where Mookie Wilson (still my all time favorite player) just couldn't stop smiling the whole game (player characteristic having nothing to do with the sport - mgarb neutral?), the Bills and the Dolphins for football (I liked their logos; I was 9 - mgarb disdain?).

Clearly I had no proper guidance. But the thing is, even today when I haven't paid any attention to NFL in 20+ years, when I walk through an airport and see football coverage of some kind, if it has to do with the Bills or the Dolphins, I still have an automatic, emotional response hoping they are winning.

Fandom is weird.

I also met the love of my life in my 20's. She pointed out to me that I sometimes (often) came across as arrogant, condescending, disdainful. She said it wasn't a good look (though those weren't the words she used). I've worked hard to let go of those ways of being (still working at it).

So when I say I'm in a different camp, I guess I mean I'm okay with all those people out there who have fallen in love with Messi and followed him from Barca to PSG (I did) and then to Miami (I didn't and frankly feel really weird cognitive dissonance now feeling visceral dislike for this player I've spent so many years loving. In the opposite direction I hated Shaq when he was on Orlando and then felt equal but opposite cognitive dissonance when he came to the Lakers. Though getting over dislike of Shaq was a much easier emotional journey than reconciling my current dislike of Messi). They have their reasons. Emotions and fandom are weird, sometimes simple, sometimes complex. But I'm okay with them.


Aside: I hated hearing the Messi chant at YS. But also there was one point where it got so loud, there was a weird reverberating sound effect. It felt like the stadium was vibrating. I hate that that was for Messi in our house. But man do I want us to have a chant where someday we can make our stadium vibrate like that with the unified voice of our fans.
 
I guess I'm just in a different camp. This is a personal choice. What standard will I uphold for myself in selecting teams to root for? What will I respect and what will I disdain in others?

Growing up in LA I had zero family members or friends with any interest in professional sports. It was like they didn't even exist. Then, just before I turned 9, I moved to upstate NY. Every single friend I made was crazy about sports. They all had their teams. I had no idea how to even consider this. So, I chose the Lakers and the Knicks for basketball (geography - mgarb seal of approval?), the Mets for baseball because I watched a game where Mookie Wilson (still my all time favorite player) just couldn't stop smiling the whole game (player characteristic having nothing to do with the sport - mgarb neutral?), the Bills and the Dolphins for football (I liked their logos; I was 9 - mgarb disdain?).

Clearly I had no proper guidance. But the thing is, even today when I haven't paid any attention to NFL in 20+ years, when I walk through an airport and see football coverage of some kind, if it has to do with the Bills or the Dolphins, I still have an automatic, emotional response hoping they are winning.

Fandom is weird.

I also met the love of my life in my 20's. She pointed out to me that I sometimes (often) came across as arrogant, condescending, disdainful. She said it wasn't a good look (though those weren't the words she used). I've worked hard to let go of those ways of being (still working at it).

So when I say I'm in a different camp, I guess I mean I'm okay with all those people out there who have fallen in love with Messi and followed him from Barca to PSG (I did) and then to Miami (I didn't and frankly feel really weird cognitive dissonance now feeling visceral dislike for this player I've spent so many years loving. In the opposite direction I hated Shaq when he was on Orlando and then felt equal but opposite cognitive dissonance when he came to the Lakers. Though getting over dislike of Shaq was a much easier emotional journey than reconciling my current dislike of Messi). They have their reasons. Emotions and fandom are weird, sometimes simple, sometimes complex. But I'm okay with them.


Aside: I hated hearing the Messi chant at YS. But also there was one point where it got so loud, there was a weird reverberating sound effect. It felt like the stadium was vibrating. I hate that that was for Messi in our house. But man do I want us to have a chant where someday we can make our stadium vibrate like that with the unified voice of our fans.
I grew up in Colorado and Mississippi and rooted for Colorado teams and the college that my family (and later I) attended in Mississippi. I also rooted for the Braves in baseball but switched over to the Rockies when they began to exist (and later, suck).

I hated all of the bandwagon Cowboys, Niners, Lakers and Bulls fans growing up because they took the easy route and just picked a winner. I suffered quite a bit as the one Broncos fan in my town in the '80s.

Inter Messi fans are the same as those bandwagon fans.

I picked Manchester City right before they started winning trophies again, picking them because I knew Claudio Reyna played for them and they seemed to be a club who could dethrone the behemoth at the time - United.
 
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