Inferiority Complex

[CTNYCFC]

Man City is run by smart enough people to have gauged this reaction, and I doubt anyone at CFG is surprised by the reaction we've seen. The kit is stock Man City. It's going to look great to Man City fans who want to see a Man City jersey on a NY team, and it's going to look like a Man City kit to everyone else that's ever seen one, for better or worse. CFG was fully aware it would alienate fans of other EPL teams and fans looking for a more individualized identity, but choose roll this kit out to: 1. Build their brand, and create synergy. 2. Put out a kit that looks good to casual and new soccer fans. 3. Bring those new fans into rooting for CFG clubs. They're trying to,profit from the massive investment they've made in this team.

So long as they make more money doing this than losing money in season tickets and jersey sales from alienated supporters, I don't think they'll be swayed by the outrage. They're probably banking on fans being placated with a different 2nd kit, just like Melbourne.

Think Red Bull (anywhere) isn't aware of how much their fans hate the red bull identity? 3 logos on every kit (sponsor, crest, and shorts), every scarf an advertisement? Why not put a metro crest on the jersey? They'd sell more metro jerseys than they sell RB ones now, I bet. Why not? Because they feel it's good for their BRAND.

NYCFC, however, has it's own crest. We should be benefiting from great DP signings at season's start, more than likely have access to a great academy, and hopefully get a SSS within the next decade. I'm willing to deal with heavy branding while we benefit from CFG's patronage. They really could have done a better job with that kit though (yes, a stupid orange or navy accent), and it would have been enough to sway all but those who would refuse to wear City Blue (while backing a CFG team.)

 

[MagnusPax]

How many ManCity fans are really going to care about NYCFC, except for the usual suspects on this forum? Its weird that CFG would even try to appeal to this very small demographic (especially in the US).

Probably smarter to pander to the Yankees fanbase, its larger in the US.

 

[CTNYCFC]

My guess would be it's more about building Man City's fan base in a NY soccer market filled with supporters groups, growing viewership of televised EPL matches, and annual matches in the NYC featuring Man City. I don't think they're putting NYC fans first in the equation, and I'm not saying this as a curse on CFG. Until NYCFC is bigger than Man City (don't hold your breath) I expect our club to be well run, but secondary or tertiary in CFG's interests. Overall, I think NYCFC fans are benefiting, and I don't think it's a deal with the devil.

 

[grandsolo]

Ross Barkley is coming to NYCFC? How strange. I really think he has a much brighter future if he stays in the EPL. Wouldn't mind getting to see him play up close and personal like though. Hmm...

now you're being obtuse. MCFC is what I meant, which may mean some loan time at NYCFC.

 

[Ahab_Flanders]

Now I'm being obtuse?

Don't ever change grandoslo, you're one of a kind.

 

[Falastur]

How many ManCity fans are really going to care about NYCFC, except for the usual suspects on this forum? Its weird that CFG would even try to appeal to this very small demographic (especially in the US).

Probably smarter to pander to the Yankees fanbase, its larger in the US.

CFG aren't trying to appeal to MCFC fans. If MCFC fans were going to support NYCFC (which many are, I will add), they would do so regardless of the kit, so long as it wasn't red of course. Melbourne City having a white kit hasn't changed anyone's mind about Melbourne in England. What the kit similarity is all about is having a kit so that a neutral observer can look at the kit and go "hey, that must be a CFG club. Aren't their clubs all doing really well at the moment? Must be a slick organisation." It's about making CFG as famous as the clubs, having the clubs co-operate on things like youth development, player training, community outreach - all things which will happen off the field, incidentally, so if you don't want to know about the other CFG teams then fine, just ignore that stuff and watch the NYCFC games instead.

 

[MagnusPax]

CFG aren't trying to appeal to MCFC fans. If MCFC fans were going to support NYCFC (which many are, I will add), they would do so regardless of the kit, so long as it wasn't red of course. Melbourne City having a white kit hasn't changed anyone's mind about Melbourne in England. What the kit similarity is all about is having a kit so that a neutral observer can look at the kit and go "hey, that must be a CFG club. Aren't their clubs all doing really well at the moment? Must be a slick organisation." It's about making CFG as famous as the clubs, having the clubs co-operate on things like youth development, player training, community outreach - all things which will happen off the field, incidentally, so if you don't want to know about the other CFG teams then fine, just ignore that stuff and watch the NYCFC games instead.

Hey just like Red Bulls!

 

[Falastur]

Not exactly. The Red Bull teams are called that because they want you to go "Aren't those teams doing well. Man am I thirsty. Think I'll buy a can of Red Bull." The only thing CFG is selling is football.

 

[MagnusPax]

Bu

Not exactly. The Red Bull teams are called that because they want you to go "Aren't those teams doing well. Man am I thirsty. Think I'll buy a can of Red Bull." The only thing CFG is selling is football.

t pretty much the same thing. How quaint for nyc.

 

[Nick Chavez]

Haven't seen this posted here yet, so these are my thoughts on why City Football Group should respect New York City and its team and give it a more unique home shirt (hopefully by the 2016). Not sure why CFG wouldn't want to give NY fans what they want. Seems counterproductive.

(P.S. I'm a devout Real Madrid supporter of 12 years. If Real Madrid owned NYCFC, I wouldn't want NYCFC wearing an all-white kit. I'd want something unique for New York City, as one of the biggest and greatest cities in the world, it deserves at least that much).

http://www.empireofsoccer.com/succeed-football-respect-30186/

 

[Capt.Tsubasa]

1) New Yorkers gotta hate New Jerseys.
2) Brits gotta hate them Yanks
3) Vice versa

 

[MrE]

an inferiority complex? Get over yourself! I couldn't name more than 1 player on your entire roster and pay no attention to your league.

I'd be just as pissed if we were copying the Des Moines Menace jerseys as I am copying MCFC. It has nothing to do with feeling inferior, and everything to do with wanting a UNIQUE brand for my club.

Your Brand is Unique--- It is that of CFG

 

[MrE]

Why would we keep Barkley warm for the US? He plays for England and I'm pretty sure he doesn't have dual citizenship. What a strange suggestion...

There is a reply to this, but I will not troll, what I will say is that I do hope you can continue to support Barkley through your alliance to the City Football Group

 

[Ahab_Flanders]

There is a reply to this, but I will not troll, what I will say is that I do hope you can continue to support Barkley through your alliance to the City Football Group

I'll support Ross wherever he goes. The kid is pure class. But, he did just sign a fresh 4 year contract so I'm hoping he's not going anywhere fast.

 

[MrE]

I think the thing that is being missed here is that the GROUP will be a brand,
I can see the day we all play in the same shirts and look and feel the same
I can also see the day that us MCFC fans will have to swallow some changes to help align the clubs to the Brand (for example playing in white shirts with strong light blue accents (if light blue continues to be not allowed in Aus) and incorporating orange somewhere as a nod to you guys.
The time is not right to do this just yet but this or something like this will come.....

If you cannot accept a group club, whether MCFC, NYCFC, or MCFC (Aus) etc etc .... then you are supporting the wrong team (under current ownership) The club did this to promote itself, Not either MCFC or NYCFC or any other derivative.....
However I love Man City unconditionally, and accept the whole, I may moan and protest about decisions, team selection, atmosphere and prices, but I am still there most match days proclaiming my support. And being part of a group wont change that.
It just seems to me that some people need to get away from NYCFC being its own entity .... what good is that to a group.... would MacDonalds allow a team member to wear a KFC uniform

 

[Falastur]

I think some people need to get away from debating this issue, because it's cyclical, tedious and only serves to divide the fanbase.

I don't like the fact that when I wake up in the mornings right now, it's freezing cold and I have a long journey to work. Now, I could solve this by quitting my job and staying at home. I could find a job nearer my house. But both of these solutions have obvious down sides. Instead, what I choose to do is fight through the cold and do my best to simply ignore it until I get to my office, which is warm. In the greater scheme of things, this system works well enough. However, if someone sat me down and tried to explain that the cold I endure every day is something I need to embrace and even welcome, then you could argue with me all week and it would not win me over. In fact, it would be likely to antagonise me, and make me resent the cold even more.

There are some who love cold mornings. There are some who learn to deal with it. But right now, while the cold is not directly affecting me, I prefer to forget that it's an issue.

Just my thoughts on the matter. CFG is a reality. It's part of the club and it's not going to change. Some people are OK with this. Others are not. Good for them, both sides of the argument. Don't get me wrong here: if you want to argue this point I'm not going to stop you - I'm saying this as a user, not as an admin - but frankly I think we've argued this point to its absolute death and right now the best way of making it not an issue is for individuals to simply find their way of coming to terms with it, rather than people to constantly bring it up again and try to shove the "if you can't accept this then go find someone else to support" line. That's really not helping anyone here.

 

[MrE]

I think some people need to get away from debating this issue, because it's cyclical, tedious and only serves to divide the fanbase.

I don't like the fact that when I wake up in the mornings right now, it's freezing cold and I have a long journey to work. Now, I could solve this by quitting my job and staying at home. I could find a job nearer my house. But both of these solutions have obvious down sides. Instead, what I choose to do is fight through the cold and do my best to simply ignore it until I get to my office, which is warm. In the greater scheme of things, this system works well enough. However, if someone sat me down and tried to explain that the cold I endure every day is something I need to embrace and even welcome, then you could argue with me all week and it would not win me over. In fact, it would be likely to antagonise me, and make me resent the cold even more.

There are some who love cold mornings. There are some who learn to deal with it. But right now, while the cold is not directly affecting me, I prefer to forget that it's an issue.

Just my thoughts on the matter. CFG is a reality. It's part of the club and it's not going to change. Some people are OK with this. Others are not. Good for them, both sides of the argument. Don't get me wrong here: if you want to argue this point I'm not going to stop you - I'm saying this as a user, not as an admin - but frankly I think we've argued this point to its absolute death and right now the best way of making it not an issue is for individuals to simply find their way of coming to terms with it, rather than people to constantly bring it up again and try to shove the "if you can't accept this then go find someone else to support" line. That's really not helping anyone here.

Then let the individuals come to terms with it without disrespecting (yes by virtue of the fact they are whinging about association with another CFG entity, or colour of shirt etc they are) the basis of CFG.
Ok New Yorkers should be able to support a New York team, and for that I commend them, but you cannot choose to support a team then moan about its connotations. Especially this early on, before the team has any identity, culture, or history (sorry but that is the way it is). No one can have any real connection beyond hopes.... If you don't like the owners, the direction etc etc you have a choice now, that choice may be harder in the future.

 

[LightTheLamps]

Typically demonstrated throughout this message forum.

Little Brother (NYCFC) of a successful Bigger Brother (MCFC), fears for his own identity, completely rejects everything that everyone associates with his Bigger Brother (MCFC)

if you didn't have any issues you wouldn't care about what other people/journalists said about your club (NYCFC) and you would support your club Win, Lose and Draw through all struggles and possible achievements.

Seem like you have few fairweather supporters here who just want to tag along, and don't want to have any MCFC association.

I'm firstly a MCFC Supporter, and I've followed my club in the dark days of lower leagues and will continue to support my club.
I was planning to support this new project (NYCFC) but many of their supporters seem to have these issues with my club and don't want to be affiliated with it.
I'm putting it down to an inferiority complex but who knows?

Many of you don't want Blues around, fine... guess we won't support your club either.

though i 100% agree w/ your assessment, i think it's pretty accurate to anticipate that the majority of the new NYCFC fan base will suffer from a complex of sorts.

i personally don't care that NYCFC is the little brother. MLS isn't on par w/ the PL. that's a fact. but so what? really, who gives a shit? i don't. just happy to have a new MLS team in NY that has the backing of such a prominent franchise. it's good for the fans and good for MLS. case closed.

 

[doctorhoosier]

I think people need to step back and realize without CFG there is no NYCFC. I'd also step away from the ledge and wait to see the other kits before we have a rampage over the MCFC look a like home kit. This should've been expected to be honest. I would've loved to have seen some orange trim or piping in the kit but hey, this is my club, and that's that. It has been pretty damn transparent the whole way through we are part of CFG, so we can't get upset now, can we?

I don't think it's safe to assume that there wouldn't have been an NY2 without CFG. There was going to be a second team in New York, whether CFG funded it or not.