MLS is Back Tournament - 2020
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i dont think anyone is toughest. like i mentioned before they all out for three months. it will be "pre season form" for all of them
OK this page says Slot 3 plays Slots 1, 4 and 5, which is consistent with Orlando, Philly, CHicago like Brooklyn Blue said.
But NYCFC says:
www.nycfc.com
So which is it? LOLOLOLOL such a clown show. Get on the same page! The best evidence this wasn't rigged is MLS isn't capable of coordinated action.
ETA they revised the text and it now says we play Orlando, Philly and Chicago. League probably didn't tell NYCFC until too late.
But NYCFC says:
New York City FC will face three of Orlando City SC, Inter Miami, Philadelphia Union, Chicago Fire and Nashville SC in Group A of the MLS is Back Tournament at ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex at Walt Disney World Resort in Florida beginning July 8. Two clubs will advance from Group A, the only Eastern Conference group comprised of six teams, with NYCFC’s opponents and schedule to be released by the league at a later date.
MLS is Back Tournament | New York City FC Drawn into Group A | New York City FC
New York City FC have been drawn into Group A of the MLS is Back Tournament alongside Orlando City SC, Inter Miami, Philadelphia Union, Chicago Fire and Nashville SC. NYCFC will face Orlando City, Chicago Fire and Philadelphia Union in their three group stage matches of the tournament which...
www.nycfc.com
So which is it? LOLOLOLOL such a clown show. Get on the same page! The best evidence this wasn't rigged is MLS isn't capable of coordinated action.
ETA they revised the text and it now says we play Orlando, Philly and Chicago. League probably didn't tell NYCFC until too late.
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OK this page says SLo3 3 plays Slots 1, 4 and 5, which is consistent with Orlando, Philly, CHicago like Brooklyn Blue said.
But NYCC says, "Two clubs will advance from Group A, the only Eastern Conference group comprised of six teams, with NYCFC’s opponents and schedule to be released by the league at a later date."
MLS is Back Tournament | New York City FC Drawn into Group A | New York City FC
New York City FC have been drawn into Group A of the MLS is Back Tournament alongside Orlando City SC, Inter Miami, Philadelphia Union, Chicago Fire and Nashville SC. NYCFC will face Orlando City, Chicago Fire and Philadelphia Union in their three group stage matches of the tournament which...
So which is it?
im telling you MLS HQ still deciding who plays who
no but you get toronto v montreal, lag vs lafc ....RB vs atlanta ( teams still hate each other). and smaller ones like RSL vs colorado. and even mls favorite rivalry of us vs orlando
I'm probably thinking it's less than 50% likely it was rigged. But under the format it was impossible to accomplish every rivalry. Pointing out that not every one happened isn't proof, just as listing ones that are in place isn't opposite proof.
But if you wanted to rig the draw, the format they chose was completely well suited for it. They deserve accusations of rigging simply for using such a ridiculous, easily manipulated system.
Certainly feels like some scales were tipped. But when you've got a league run entirely by the owners who's pockets are lined with SUM cash, what else would you expect?
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The three toughest teams because NYC and PHI are the only good teams in that group. Let's not complain too much, we should easily win two of those games. Orlando and Chicago both suck.
So, in Group A, we get the other 3 legacy teams and neither of the expansion teams.
Each of Orlando, Philly and Chicago get both of the expansion teams. There’s a good chance each has 6 points, not counting games against us.
We could end up with 5 or 6 points and finish 4th and get left out.
Each of Orlando, Philly and Chicago get both of the expansion teams. There’s a good chance each has 6 points, not counting games against us.
We could end up with 5 or 6 points and finish 4th and get left out.
I'm far too lazy to run the numbers, but given that each rivalry had roughly a 1/3 chance of being drawn (adjust however you want for the pre-drawn opener), I wonder how many universally accepted rivalries got drawn. Was it notably greater than 1 in 3? Considering Sea/Port, NYC/NJRB and other big ones didn't get drawn I'd say the whole "rigged" thought is more of a reflection of how jaded fans are at this point.
LAG/LAFC is really all you need since thats the one MLS has been marketing like crazy in the past couple of years.
Another reality test is how many matchups already played before the break are repeated in the tournament? Ideally you would want as few of those as possible. And I'm just bored enough to check. Of 52 games played, 4 will be repeated in Group Play.
ATL-CIN
HOU-LAG
MTL-NER
RB-CIN
That doesn't seem like much but 12 of the first 52 games were interconference and cannot be repeated under the format. So we're repeating 4 out of a possible 40 matchups. Is that low? Expected? I don't know.
This is the best substantive comment on the draw.
This just seems like something people need to find now whenever any groups are created. Which one is the "Group of Death".
Folks were insistent on doing it for the last World Cup as well, even though they shifted the group draws to basically balance out the groups based on FIFA rankings instead of the regional basis they did before that could really result in unbalanced groups from a talent standpoint.
Are there groups that some could argue are tougher than others? Sure? Are there groups that are incredibly tougher than others that we need to designate it as the "Group of Death"? Spare me.
assume the expansion teams drop all 3 games.
Miami 0 pts, 0-3
nash 0 pts, 0-3
orlando 6 pts 2-0
philly 6 points 2-0
chicago 6 pts 2-0
if we win all 3 games, we finish first 9, 6, 6, 6, 0, 0
if we win 2 draw 1 we tie for first, 7, 7, 6, 6, 0, 0
if we win 2 and lose 1 it depends on tie breaker 9, 6, 6, 6, 0, 0 (we beat both the other 6 point teams.
we win 1 and draw 2 we are eliminated. 7, 7, 6, 5, 0, 0.
We need miami or nash to win or draw some games. I think miami will be fine, they were injured to start the year and get their forward back. They didnt look bad those first two games vs LA and DC both on the road.
Miami 0 pts, 0-3
nash 0 pts, 0-3
orlando 6 pts 2-0
philly 6 points 2-0
chicago 6 pts 2-0
if we win all 3 games, we finish first 9, 6, 6, 6, 0, 0
if we win 2 draw 1 we tie for first, 7, 7, 6, 6, 0, 0
if we win 2 and lose 1 it depends on tie breaker 9, 6, 6, 6, 0, 0 (we beat both the other 6 point teams.
we win 1 and draw 2 we are eliminated. 7, 7, 6, 5, 0, 0.
We need miami or nash to win or draw some games. I think miami will be fine, they were injured to start the year and get their forward back. They didnt look bad those first two games vs LA and DC both on the road.
Most rivalries are regional. There are only 3 pods per conference. No matter how the draw goes you’re gonna get storylines.
If we get lined up with Orlando, it's ESPN trying to force a rivalry. If we get lined up with RB it's a rigged draw to have rivalry games. If we line up with ATL it's a ratings grab. If we line up with TFC its a generated storyline because of the playoffs last year.
You can play that game for every team in the league. Odds are, there are gonna be some interesting match-ups. There always are and always have been.
