Montreal Postmatch

Motm

  • Villa

    Votes: 14 32.6%
  • Harrison

    Votes: 19 44.2%
  • Mena

    Votes: 6 14.0%
  • Iraola

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Other?

    Votes: 3 7.0%

  • Total voters
    43
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Viewfrom226 Viewfrom226 true talk about the winger play.

It's almost like a wide receiver. Pound away with the run and look for that home run ball down the field. They can change the game with one catch. Some games they could have 10 grabs, some 2. Especially with Tmac being on the slow side..it makes him more of a short yardage player and Harrison is that deep ball threat.


Thinking about the game again. It's hard to grab a road win after a loss like the SKC game. Though it wasn't pretty, that shows good growth with the club.
 
Viewfrom226 Viewfrom226 true talk about the winger play.

It's almost like a wide receiver. Pound away with the run and look for that home run ball down the field. They can change the game with one catch. Some games they could have 10 grabs, some 2. Especially with Tmac being on the slow side..it makes him more of a short yardage player and Harrison is that deep ball threat.

Odell for DP 2017??

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/l...cer-skills-is-basically-a-right-footed-messi/
 
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Nice post. What's impressed me most about Villa this season is not how much he's scored but how much ground he covers during a match. He's all over the place.
All the more impressive when you consider that he is first in the entire league among outfield players in minutes played (with a slight help from our having played more matches than most teams). I haven't looked, but I'm guessing it is pretty rare for a striker to be up there like that.

He has been unreal this year in terms of both his performance and his ability to stay on the field.
 
Mena had an amazing game as others have pointed out. I've been a Mena fan, and I'm still not certain on him going forward as an overall defender, but his 1v1 defending skills are legit.

He's had some dumb passes, bad positioning, and other mistakes, but when has he been beaten 1v1?
The play that led to the Drogba free kick for one. But I agree in general, he's probably our best 1v1 defender outright.
 
Definitely not the beautiful game we were starting to play earlier in the year. We are playing completely different than the possession football from earlier in the year. We used to link from back to front, and now it is lump it up to DV and jack and hope for the best.

RJ is and always has been much worse on the left, I hope forcing Mata out there with an injury won't haunt us. Excited to see what Chanot can bring, but will suck to break up the CB pairing again. Saunders stop of Drogba's FK was awesome, hands down. Credit to Saunders, he seems like a great guy, great teammate, and I have no idea about the details on that Shipp goal, but even if it was deflected, it wasn't deflected very much, so he wasn't in position for the ball in the first place.

Road win, I love it, but I remain concerned that a formation with no link to a CM is unsustainable. Villa is dropping deep to receive the ball in the position that our CM should be. Here's the avg player positions:

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I think it shows in that we don't have the flow and resulting possession we were developing. The formation ends up as a 424, and we are dropping very deep when the opposing defense has the ball, we've given up any semblance of a press.

In the first 15 games of the season, with Mix or Lopez at CM, we had an average of 56% possession (58% if you remove the outliers of the Portland and TO games with Mix AND Lopez and Mix/Poku as CMs) In the past 6 games, we've had 47% posession (50% if you take out the outlier of the KC game) that is somewhere between a 11% to 6% drop depending on which numbers you like.

We are also creating 4.5 fewer shots per game in the past six games (15.5-11.1)

My conclusion is that if you love Frank's unconventional goals, that is fine, but we need to pull a player from somewhere else to link the back 6 to the front three. Frank should be a recessed forward or a very advanced CAM, with a CM behind him.
What happens when you take out the games where we had Allen at LB and / or a CB playing at wide right (Hernandez or White)?

From memory + whatever I could cobble together from nycfc.com and whoscored.com in the time I was guiltily stealing from "more productive activities":
  • 49% vs. Philly - we had regular fullbacks but switched to a 5-3-2 and gave up midfield in the 64th minute to protect our lead. Would be interested to see what possession was like before we decided to park the bus.
  • 49% vs. Seattle - we had regular fullbacks but switched to 5 in the back again in the 77th minute.
  • 44% vs. Red Bulls - first time we saw the "inverted backline" with RJ at LB and Hernandez at RB.
  • 56% vs. New England - oh hai, we have regular fullbacks again.
  • 33% vs. Sporting KC - Vieira asks RJ to put on 2 left boots again and Hernandez is Hernandez at RB.
  • 54% vs. Montreal - wait, is that real? Anyway, we play narrow in D again (this time with White).
So that gives us an average of 51.3% with "regular fullbacks" and 43.7% with "inverted / non-fullbacks". It's a small dataset but lines up with my observations / intuition that we are making way too many simple technical errors trying to play out of the back, which kills any attempt to control the game through possession.

As a side note – what are your favorite sources for stats? ^That was painful.
 
Saw that. Not something to be bragging about. You don't want your striker all over the place like that. You want him in front of the goal.
Pretty sure at the end of the game I saw Villa was dropping to defend set pieces as the top-of-the-box/outlet guy and Jack/Mikey/Patrick (rotating) was left up top for the breakout. I think that's how Villa accumulated so much time deep.
 
Saw that. Not something to be bragging about. You don't want your striker all over the place like that. You want him in front of the goal.
Pretty sure at the end of the game I saw Villa was dropping to defend set pieces as the top-of-the-box/outlet guy and Jack/Mikey/Patrick (rotating) was left up top for the breakout. I think that's how Villa accumulated so much time deep.

He has also lately been the first defender for corner kicks. Isn't supposed to be defending any player, just trying to prevent the ball from going past him.

As for being all over the place, that's always been a part of his game. He is known for his high work rate.
 
Saw that. Not something to be bragging about. You don't want your striker all over the place like that. You want him in front of the goal.
I actually love it. At this point in his career, Villa is not going to beat you with pace and he is not going to beat you as a target man. Playing him in a false 9 type of role, I think, really complements his skillset and what his physical tools are right now. His offsides awareness, as WhoScores puts it, is also very weak. PV also seems to want our wingers to cut inside and shoot which goes well with a false 9 too.
 
I saw this, and have thought this for some time now. Harrison has really changed the dynamic on the team for the better.

I have worried that teams are onto him - not only that they are paying more attention to shutting him down, but that they are scouting him and more aware of his weaknesses, and so he won't be as effective going forward. Still, to the extent teams are keying on him, it only opens up space for everyone else. Plus, as we saw yesterday, Harrison can still make teams pay with just a sliver of an opening.

As for Doyle, I am okay with him. He has already issued a mea culpa for his earlier skepticism that had people here all riled up. I don't expect pundits to get it right all the time, so long when they don't, they own up to their mistakes.



The nice thing is if they key on Harrison it makes more chances for Villa
 
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I have worried that teams are onto him - not only that they are paying more attention to shutting him down, but that they are scouting him and more aware of his weaknesses, and so he won't be as effective going forward. Still, to the extent teams are keying on him, it only opens up space for everyone else. Plus, as we saw yesterday, Harrison can still make teams pay with just a sliver of an opening.

The nice thing is if they key on Harrison it makes more chances for Villa.

...and Lampard and even T-Mac. We can NOT ignore T-Mac. This guy is so underrated on our team. His contribution is so important to what we do.