I like it. He’s worked his way up every step of the way at some of the world’s biggest clubs, making moves when necessary to advance. Coming to NYC would be entirely consistent for him. And given the record of advancement at Barca, Liverpool, Manchester City, I’d guess he’s pretty smart, in addition to ambitious and persistent. I think this will go well for us.
NYCFC Confirm Departure of PV. Nice Confirm Arrival of PV as Manager.
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How much does this being a mid-season replacement affect who the team can bring in? Don’t they kinda have to stay within the CFG family to maintain the play from the back, possession based game? We have the players for that system, so we can’t really afford to have someone come in with a totally different system that the players may not fit as well.
A Tata-style (or Bielsa-style
signing would send a different message of intent, for sure, but I'm not sure how much of a fluke his signing was. Also yet to be determined what kind of actual success that will bring.I'm kind of excited that we are looking outside of the traditional former-player manager pool. I don't think we really know what he is gonna be like as a head coach - we didn't know what Patrick was going to be like either and it turned out pretty solid. But he has to have an insane depth of knowledge when it comes to almost every other part of the technical organization at this point. He's been in the war room and the dressing room with Pep for the last two years. He must also have a formidable network.
I've been seeing reports about the shortage of top-level coaching in the game and the need to find new pipelines for coaching talent - I wonder if this is an experiment in that vein, or the kind of experiment CFG have in store generally for us at NYCFC. If so I'm totally up for it.
How is it not flattering or reassuring? They are sending an assistant coach from one of the best teams in the world to coach our team.
If they had hired Jurgen Klopp's assistant, would we be singing the same tune? Does he have Tata Martino's resume? No. But he has a pretty impressive resume. On short notice, they needed to find someone who would continue to implement our systems because you can't change that in the middle of a season. This is a pretty good solution for that.
Exactly my thought, too. You can't hire someone who's going to blow it up, you have to stay the course. That means promoting from within the global organization. I think this tells me CFG sees NYCFC as an important team, and doesn't want to blow up our chance at a trophy.
And probably the players/staff were given a strict timeline of when notification would go out, most likely tomorrow. I’m sure they were told to not leak anything.
Who wants to bet PV is on a plane (or is on one tonight) for the announcement tomorrow. Somebody stalk the flights to Nice.
Part of me would like a new manager who's not quite as system-driven as PV, someone who can unlock the obvious offensive potential that's dripping off this team, without forcing certain players into funky roles (or off the field altogether) in pursuit of the Greater Good.
While I've almost always enjoyed watching PV's team play, I can't shake the idea that this team is like the obedient class of schoolkids that could come up with something chaotic and brilliant while the teacher's back is turned, if only he'd let them do their own thing for a bit. I somehow doubt CFG will pick someone who's prepared to let them improvise, but you have to admit it would be fun.
While I've almost always enjoyed watching PV's team play, I can't shake the idea that this team is like the obedient class of schoolkids that could come up with something chaotic and brilliant while the teacher's back is turned, if only he'd let them do their own thing for a bit. I somehow doubt CFG will pick someone who's prepared to let them improvise, but you have to admit it would be fun.
Because it sends the message that NYCFC is the proving ground for MCFC youth coaches. Vieira raised the level of play to watchable and on most occasions enjoyable, but he failed miserably with making any sort of dent in the games that matter, mgarbowski has written extensively about PV’s legacy here and how it should logically be viewed. Bringing in another youth coach will likely ensure similar tactics, and hopefully Borrell won’t have a banishment doghouse or at least let the current crop of detainees out with a clean slate, but there’s zero guarantee he has the ability to motivate seasoned professionals before big/important matches or manage their egos for playing time and sunken form.
Kjbert , who has some level of insider knowledge, has said we should get used to this type of manager and the less expensive DP - that to me is not showing ambition from CFG, that’s doing just barely enough in a league that’s showing a real divide between the top an bottom.
I hope I’m wrong, and I’ll be happy to eat crow, but this just feels like another FU from the club.... at least I’m getting used to that sort of treatment after MCFC color branding, Lampard, Pirlo, the stadium, stubhub, Hartford, OpenCup ambition, etc.
From what I understand, though, this guy wasn't the youth coach the last few years, he was an assistant for the first team. That's quite really different from Vieira's CV.
To me, this seems like a safe pick trying to maintain the status quo.
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Just a reminder that Jesse Marsch, Gregg Berhalter, and Peter Vermes had a combined two and a half years of head coaching experience before landing their current jobs.
Borrell wouldn't have gotten where he is if he didn't understand soccer better than just about anybody in MLS, and he wouldn't be a leading candidate to coach CFG's second-biggest property if people who know him well, including inside NYCFC, didn't think he was capable of leading a team.
I would understand a cautious wait-and-see approach, but what's with the sight-unseen rejection? Can you describe what a better candidate might look like and where we'd find him?
I'm down, what happens with his cap hit?
Maybe not player manager but would be an incredible player coach and a good introduction to the other side.
I understand where you're coming from. I think the idea of NYCFC as a laboratory probably does a better job of explaining their checkered record here than the "minimum investment necessary" theory, though. They are a grandly ambitious organization, and they have shown a capacity for backing hypotheses to the hilt and learning from their mistakes. Sounds like a fun ride to me.
We have no idea what his role was because MCFC is sterile with their coaches’ bios. His says almost nothing about his role other than he’s part of Pep’s backroom staff as an Assistant-coach. Arteta is also listed as an assistant-coach. Brian Kidd is the assistant-manager. Kids is definitely higher on the pecking order and we have no idea what the generic assistant coach does or who has more responsibility.
As I said, I’ll be happy to eat crow if he pans out, but I find this decision to be troubling if it foretells how CFG plans to run NYCFC in the future.
I know nothing about Borrell's skill set, but it's not insignificant for CFG to disrupt MCFC's backroom staff for our (supposed) benefit. How would we feel if CFG poached one of our assistant coaches to install him as manager at Melbourne or Yokohama? If your answer is anything other than "indifferent" then you can start feeling less nervous about our place in the food chain.
Just like the Vieira appointment, I'm far more concerned about how hard CFG is looking outside of the organization before deciding Borrell is the best man for the job. It sure looks convenient, but then again, in a vacuum I would find it hard to argue against a former Barcelona, Liverpool and Man City coach. They got it right then, I hope they get it right now.
Just like the Vieira appointment, I'm far more concerned about how hard CFG is looking outside of the organization before deciding Borrell is the best man for the job. It sure looks convenient, but then again, in a vacuum I would find it hard to argue against a former Barcelona, Liverpool and Man City coach. They got it right then, I hope they get it right now.
Marsch was a failure at Montreal before he hit it at RB. Columbus is not a very ambitious organization and hit the jackpot tapping up a former player who had a vast amount of experience in Europe and for his National team. Vermes was SKC’s head honcho and technical director who self-selected himself for the role of coach when their previous coach was let go (he also had a ton of player experience as a national team player and as both a forward and defender which gives a unique perspective to explaining tactics) and SKC also is a frugal organization that hit the jackpot.
As to describing what a better candidate would look like or where to find them, that’s shifting the responsibility. It’s like the judge that said 'I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it and this movie is not pornography”
Edit- and for every Marsch, Berhalter, Vermes, there’s also Jay Heaps, Mo Johnston, Ben Olsen, Jason Kreis, etc.
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This is a great thread.
If Borelli is someone who can pick up the phone and ask "Hey Pep, let me run something by you" or invite him to YS and dinner afterwards to pick his brain that's a big plus in my book.
Everybody can recognize that getting a Coach for the team mid-season without the press and team "knowing" is not the best way to do it but having NYCFC as a launching pad to coaching a team in a major league is a draw for CFG management who want to develop a coaching pool they may draw on when needed for MCFC some year. Because PV is under contract there has been talk about a fee for Nice to get him out of his contract. Anyone have any insight about whether any fee would go to NYCFC or CFG?
I never heard of Borelli before, but he is sounding like a bright ambitious soccer brain who wants the opportunity to become a head coach. Given where he has come from I would expect his ambition to be Supporters Shield or MLS Cup Winner and first MLS coach to win CONCACAF Champions League. I have no idea whether a Borelli hire will work but it seems like a good move for NYCFC.
If Borelli is someone who can pick up the phone and ask "Hey Pep, let me run something by you" or invite him to YS and dinner afterwards to pick his brain that's a big plus in my book.
Everybody can recognize that getting a Coach for the team mid-season without the press and team "knowing" is not the best way to do it but having NYCFC as a launching pad to coaching a team in a major league is a draw for CFG management who want to develop a coaching pool they may draw on when needed for MCFC some year. Because PV is under contract there has been talk about a fee for Nice to get him out of his contract. Anyone have any insight about whether any fee would go to NYCFC or CFG?
I never heard of Borelli before, but he is sounding like a bright ambitious soccer brain who wants the opportunity to become a head coach. Given where he has come from I would expect his ambition to be Supporters Shield or MLS Cup Winner and first MLS coach to win CONCACAF Champions League. I have no idea whether a Borelli hire will work but it seems like a good move for NYCFC.
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