technically yes...but if a foreign player get his green card he no longer counts as a foreigner...so if a team pushes for certain players to get a green card then it can potentially screw the lower end US players like the ones i mentioned above.
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technically yes...but if a foreign player get his green card he no longer counts as a foreigner...so if a team pushes for certain players to get a green card then it can potentially screw the lower end US players like the ones i mentioned above.
By the time a player transferring from Europe is eligible for a green card (5 years?), MLS will be offering him crappy US player wages. Welcome to America!
Rule needing to change: Teams are allowed 3 DPs. Make that 6 and some of the big pocketed teams will feel like they can bring in enough players to make a more even team - by even I mean not top heavy with 3DP, bottom heavy with a bunch of $60K filler players, and a few guys making $200K in the middle. That's a crappy combination of salaries for professional players.
Next rule: Raise the CAP so that the minimum salary is closer to $3-400K than it is to $60K.
Agree and disagree... In general probably true but have you been to Shanghai and Shenzheng? (if I spelled it right) you don't know what true naked capitalism is until you go there. Plus living condition is a dynamic subject hat keeps changing.. In 10 years who knows which city will be on top especially with the commie mayor we have here.
That logic does not make sense. You only get paid for developing talent when you have the end product that meets customers demand. No one should be paid for simply investing to develop talent. That's the basic rule of free market. who gets the money is based on the result now. Your logic is precisely a socialism community kind of one...I am sorry to say ( don't mean to offend you). A club wants to be paid for developing talent? Fine invest and do that. If other clubs like the talent the club develops then they will pay the club. Simple as that. Otherwise, applying your rule/principle, a club can sit there doing nothing and still get paid. That's precisely what makes a society digress under such socialist economy. Sorry I don't meant to incite ideological war here but I just can't wrap my head around any concept that is not free market based.
i think it depends...i think i read somewhere that obafemi martins had a green card and he was here what ? two / three years?
In my previous job I spent 3 weeks every 2 months in China for 3 years. It's a beautiful country and I agree that it is fine from a living stand point but for a european or south american player it is in no way desirable or even comfortable in the way that NYC or LA or even Chicago are.
Sorry to be brash, but if this is true, then you're not going to be able to add much to the discussion - you're identifying your bias and admitting you can't see thru it.
Of course the league should approach the management of the league from a socialist prospective - what is best for the league, not what is best for the individual teams. That's how the NASL failed. All successful American sports leagues are socialist.
Clubs shouldn't be allowed to pocket luxury tax money. The luxury tax should go to strengthening academies. The point is that if a team owner admits that there is better talent elsewhere by purchasing foreign players, they should be required to spend an equal amount domestically to help close the gap.
Well you have got the bias on the other end of the spectrum. We have to agree to disagree. Other domestic clubs doesn't deserve the money... To get the money one has to earn it - they have to earn it. I will leave it at that. Otherwise there is no incentive for those clubs to get stronger. Sorry if those clubs can't make it they have to let richer owners to take over. That's what free market and competition all about.
Your biggest evidence supporting your argument is that other US leagues have similar rules and that served them well. The problem with that argument is the two camps are not comparable. As I pointed out earlier, in the other 3 major US sports (football, baseball and basketball), the US market is pretty much the world market. When you set rules in those leagues you set rules for the whole world pretty much. When that's the case, nobody can go to a place where there is more advantageous rules for them, no arbitrage to be had. In soccer, you have looser rules in other parts of the world, players and even owners can play rule arbitrage by voting with the feet. It's like tax situation, if one government charges too much tax, the people who matter will vote by feet to another location. Unless you can align the tax rate worldwide so no one can play the arbitrage game. Sorry to me I have sound logic here and you are just arguing socialist rule works because it works. Show me the logic !
Well you have got the bias on the other end of the spectrum. We have to agree to disagree. Other domestic clubs doesn't deserve the money... To get the money one has to earn it - they have to earn it. I will leave it at that. Otherwise there is no incentive for those clubs to get stronger. Sorry if those clubs can't make it they have to let richer owners to take over. That's what free market and competition all about.
Your biggest evidence supporting your argument is that other US leagues have similar rules and that served them well. The problem with that argument is the two camps are not comparable. As I pointed out earlier, in the other 3 major US sports (football, baseball and basketball), the US market is pretty much the world market. When you set rules in those leagues you set rules for the whole world pretty much. When that's the case, nobody can go to a place where there is more advantageous rules for them, no arbitrage to be had. In soccer, you have looser rules in other parts of the world, players and even owners can play rule arbitrage by voting with the feet. It's like tax situation, if one government charges too much tax, the people who matter will vote by feet to another location. Unless you can align the tax rate worldwide so no one can play the arbitrage game. Sorry to me I have sound logic here and you are just arguing socialist rule works because it works. Show me the logic !
1. Find a good resource about the old NASL, and it will show you why a pure free market system doesn't work so well. In short, when you have many teams chasing the few and the gap is so wide, the many end up bankrupt, and the league ends up dead.
2. Conceptualize it this way: What is the value of a single soccer team? Zero. It takes two teams to play a game. It takes a whole league to strengthen each individual club by raising pooled TV revenues, by increasing the value and intrigue in the competitions, and by increasing the talent pool. NYCFC benefits from a strong team in Houston, in Minnesota, in Orlando. They are interdependent. And therefore, the test of progress isn't whether we are able to strengthen the strong, but rather to promote the floor.
3. The correct answer is somewhere in between our stances.
By the way, there is an entire thread about this issue in the MLS forum.
This is true about almost everything.
This kind of absolutism is almost always incorrect/ignorant. FYI, when I started my first company the only way I could get health insurance was through Freelancers Union, a fantastic union making entrepreneurship possible.
Free market is always perfect, except when it isn't.
Regulations are always bad, except when they are valuable.
Etc. Etc.
I'm so not gonna take sides on unions here but the Freelancers Union isn't really a Union.
I thought this thread was suppose to be able the inevitable rise of #ZLATANYC.
I understand the argument either way on Freelancers. Still not a fan of absolutism.
So with bravo on board we have 3 spots left. Will it be:
1. Rawles
2. Ivanov
3. ?
Will we start the season with a full roster?
1. Rawles
2. Ivanov
3. ?
Will we start the season with a full roster?
I think we'll leave 1-2 spots open for the summer if we need to fill a spot. But we're at -1 international spot right now so Americans get priority.
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