Nycfc Salary Cap Discussion

Let's just make this easy on everyone. This is who is on the books for next year. I have only included their maximum cap hit.

Allen, RJ - $60,000
Alvarez, Pablo - $63,045.09
Ballouchy, Mehdi - $83,250
Brandt, Conor - $50,000
Brovsky, Jeb - $129,125
Diskerud, Mix - $436,250
Grabavoy, Ned - $215,000
Hernandez, Jason - $185,000
Iraola, Andoni - $200,004
Jacobsen, Andrew - $150,000
Johansen, Eirik - $50,004
Lampard, Frank - $436,250
McNamara, Tom - $71,500
Mena, Jefferson - $211,400
Mullins, Patrick - $110,000
Pirlo, Andrea - $436,250
Poku, Kwadwo - $63,045.09
Saunders, Josh - $90,000
Shelton, Khiry - $87,500
Taylor, Tony - $84,375
Velasquez, Seba - $60,000
Villa, David - $436,250
Wingert, Chris - $215,000

That's 23 players. I have left Calle, Facey, Meara, Angelino and Watson-Siriboe off of this list. Only the top 20 salaries count against the cap. For my math, I am going to assume that one of Grabavoy/Wingert are released using our annual cap relief clause. You could assume that an Alvarez or Johansen may also be gone, but I won't do that just yet. So, that leaves us with an initial cap total right now of $3,362,154. With the new CBA, the salary cap rises by $217,000 per year.

The Salary Cap for 2016 should be roughly $3,707,000 next year. That leaves us with $344,846 to spend before EDS Loanees or allocation money is considered. It was mentioned before that we could receive about $250,000 of allocation money for missing the playoffs. That leads me to believe that we should have about $600,000 worth of cap flexibility to work with. There will be a first round draft pick to account for, so that is roughly $90,000. From there, we will have to pay for EDS Loanees plus any free agents with the remaining $500,000.

I don't know how much yo ucan really improve this team with $500,000. I think our best hope is to get ONE monster CB signing at a high (MLS) cost.
Would we be able to sign internationally or would it have to be an American?
 
Facey, Angelino, Nemec, Mendoza, Calle...all took up international slots.

I *think we should have two international slots available next year. Remember that we had purchased a couple last year - I believe from DCU and LAG.
 
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Let's just make this easy on everyone. This is who is on the books for next year. I have only included their maximum cap hit.

Allen, RJ - $60,000
Alvarez, Pablo - $63,045.09
Ballouchy, Mehdi - $83,250
Brandt, Conor - $50,000
Brovsky, Jeb - $129,125
Diskerud, Mix - $436,250
Grabavoy, Ned - $215,000
Hernandez, Jason - $185,000
Iraola, Andoni - $200,004
Jacobsen, Andrew - $150,000
Johansen, Eirik - $50,004
Lampard, Frank - $436,250
McNamara, Tom - $71,500
Mena, Jefferson - $211,400
Mullins, Patrick - $110,000
Pirlo, Andrea - $436,250
Poku, Kwadwo - $63,045.09
Saunders, Josh - $90,000
Shelton, Khiry - $87,500
Taylor, Tony - $84,375
Velasquez, Seba - $60,000
Villa, David - $436,250
Wingert, Chris - $215,000

That's 23 players. I have left Calle, Facey, Meara, Angelino and Watson-Siriboe off of this list. Only the top 20 salaries count against the cap. For my math, I am going to assume that one of Grabavoy/Wingert are released using our annual cap relief clause. You could assume that an Alvarez or Johansen may also be gone, but I won't do that just yet. So, that leaves us with an initial cap total right now of $3,362,154. With the new CBA, the salary cap rises by $217,000 per year.

The Salary Cap for 2016 should be roughly $3,707,000 next year. That leaves us with $344,846 to spend before EDS Loanees or allocation money is considered. It was mentioned before that we could receive about $250,000 of allocation money for missing the playoffs. That leads me to believe that we should have about $600,000 worth of cap flexibility to work with. There will be a first round draft pick to account for, so that is roughly $90,000. From there, we will have to pay for EDS Loanees plus any free agents with the remaining $500,000.

I don't know how much yo ucan really improve this team with $500,000. I think our best hope is to get ONE monster CB signing at a high (MLS) cost.

Thanks for this. It looks accurate to me, except for two unfortunate things.
  1. The amount a DP costs against the cap also goes up each year. So our DPs will cost closer to $450k next year, not $436k.
  2. We have to pay down Mix's salary to sub-DP level with allocation money. At $750k salary, that's between $250-300k in allocation money gone right there.
Therefore, shave your $500k wiggle room down to $200k. Ouch.

That said, we still have some potential to get some room back. We can release whoever is out of contract to the re-entry draft (or free agency in the case of Grabavoy, Wingert, Hernandez, Saunders, or Ballouchy). I wouldn't be surprised to see at least 3-4 guys shed off the roster in this way, but it's impossible to know who's on an expiring contract.
 
It has been reported by a couple of sources that Watson-Siriboe is gone.

Twitter, I assume? Nothing is popping up on the first page of google searches for Kwame Watson-Siriboe or Kwame Watson-Siriboe released. It could easily be true, it just seems broadly accepted as fact at this point.

Yes, I did just copy and paste the roster. The cap hits will always be the cap hit unless we re-sign them after their contracts expire. MLS players sign a total contract with bonus. The total contract value with bonus is then divided by the number of years. It doesn't matter if they get a raise over the lifetime of the contract. If Poku makes $60k, then $70k then $80k then $90k over a 4 year deal, his cap hit is the same in year one as it is in year 4.

MLS is weird. I'm not sure I read the paragraph at https://www.mlsplayers.org/salary_info.html the same way, but who knows. What they make isn't as important as whether they're under contract for 2016.
 
Let's just make this easy on everyone. This is who is on the books for next year. I have only included their maximum cap hit.

Allen, RJ - $60,000
Alvarez, Pablo - $63,045.09
Ballouchy, Mehdi - $83,250
Brandt, Conor - $50,000
Brovsky, Jeb - $129,125
Diskerud, Mix - $436,250
Grabavoy, Ned - $215,000
Hernandez, Jason - $185,000
Iraola, Andoni - $200,004
Jacobsen, Andrew - $150,000
Johansen, Eirik - $50,004
Lampard, Frank - $436,250
McNamara, Tom - $71,500
Mena, Jefferson - $211,400
Mullins, Patrick - $110,000
Pirlo, Andrea - $436,250
Poku, Kwadwo - $63,045.09
Saunders, Josh - $90,000
Shelton, Khiry - $87,500
Taylor, Tony - $84,375
Velasquez, Seba - $60,000
Villa, David - $436,250
Wingert, Chris - $215,000

That's 23 players. I have left Calle, Facey, Meara, Angelino and Watson-Siriboe off of this list. Only the top 20 salaries count against the cap. For my math, I am going to assume that one of Grabavoy/Wingert are released using our annual cap relief clause. You could assume that an Alvarez or Johansen may also be gone, but I won't do that just yet. So, that leaves us with an initial cap total right now of $3,362,154. With the new CBA, the salary cap rises by $217,000 per year.

The Salary Cap for 2016 should be roughly $3,707,000 next year. That leaves us with $344,846 to spend before EDS Loanees or allocation money is considered. It was mentioned before that we could receive about $250,000 of allocation money for missing the playoffs. That leads me to believe that we should have about $600,000 worth of cap flexibility to work with. There will be a first round draft pick to account for, so that is roughly $90,000. From there, we will have to pay for EDS Loanees plus any free agents with the remaining $500,000.

I don't know how much yo ucan really improve this team with $500,000. I think our best hope is to get ONE monster CB signing at a high (MLS) cost.

Unfortunately, I just checked your numbers and my conclusion is worse.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...nNa20V3JQc/pubhtml?gid=1596902728&single=true

I think your salary cap number is slightly high, based on an old estimate before the 2015 cap came out.

A few numbers on my charts are estimates, such as the 2016 cap hit for DP's, the 2016 salary cap, and the amount of allocation money we'll have in the bank. But my conclusion is that we are somewhere between $150-200k over the salary cap as our roster stands today.

I left KWS on the roster for now until that gets confirmed. But we are going to have to find ways to shed a few more pieces. Hopefully a few of these guys are out of contract and we can send them to the re-entry draft.

Yikes.
 
Just remembered something else we need to consider here. The salary of George John will probably be hitting the cap next year assuming his recovery is complete. I just checked the MLS salaries list and he wasn't on there, but I thought I heard somewhere on this forum that he had a $200k salary. Can anyone confirm this?
George John's cap hit was $326k. It didn't count this year against the cap because he was on injured list but if he heals he will count again. Although I think his contract is up in 2016 (http://sportspayroll.com/george-john-salary-new-york-city-fc/). So it's possible they could renegotiate to get that number down.

As for the DP contracts, last year Lamps and Pirlo only counted half of the amount or ($387k/2) $193,000. Now all 3 will count for 2016 new DP amount of $436k. So just the 3 DPs hit the cap at a whopping $1,308,000 just for 3 players. That's 1/3 of the cap. Too bad none of them are young DPs, those under 23 cost only $200-$150k.
 
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Thanks for this. It looks accurate to me, except for two unfortunate things.
  1. The amount a DP costs against the cap also goes up each year. So our DPs will cost closer to $450k next year, not $436k.
  2. We have to pay down Mix's salary to sub-DP level with allocation money. At $750k salary, that's between $250-300k in allocation money gone right there.
Therefore, shave your $500k wiggle room down to $200k. Ouch.

question is how much allocation money do we even have? It's like mysterious monopoly money that no one speaks of.
 
I don't think there's any chance we get rid of Johanssen in the next few years. Already slim at GK. and he's only getting 50k.
 
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I don't think there's any chance we get rid of Johanssen in the next few years. Already slim at GK. and he's only getting 50k.

Not utterly god awful and making the league minimum, that means he stays.
 
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I don't think there's any chance we get rid of Johanssen in the next few years. Already slim at GK. and he's only getting 50k.
However he is taking up a international slot. A new foreign coach might want even more starting internationals not less.
 
Did we sign each player we took in the Expansion Draft to a new contract? Or are we paying them whats left on their contracts with the teams they came from?
 
It has been reported by a couple of sources that Watson-Siriboe is gone.

Yes, I did just copy and paste the roster. The cap hits will always be the cap hit unless we re-sign them after their contracts expire. MLS players sign a total contract with bonus. The total contract value with bonus is then divided by the number of years. It doesn't matter if they get a raise over the lifetime of the contract. If Poku makes $60k, then $70k then $80k then $90k over a 4 year deal, his cap hit is the same in year one as it is in year 4.
Pretty sure non-guaranteed comp doesn't count, so performance bonuses aren't a factor. That's what I read on the MLSPA site anyway.
 
question is how much allocation money do we even have? It's like mysterious monopoly money that no one speaks of.
There could be allocation money left over from this year. Maybe.
We should get between $250-$500,000 in allocation for not making the playoffs.

We won't for sure have as much as we did in Year 1. So my guess will be its around $500k tops.
 
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