I agree completely, which is why I think we disagree, paradoxically.
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I agree completely, which is why I think we disagree, paradoxically.
I suppose I should explain with this strength flow:
EPL > Eredivisie > MLS > Tippeligaen
So, I agree, it is difficult to compare Aron Johannsson with Mix Diskerud, not just because they play different positions, but because one plays in a fairly strong league, and the other does not.
EPL > Eredivisie > MLS > Tippeligaen
So, I agree, it is difficult to compare Aron Johannsson with Mix Diskerud, not just because they play different positions, but because one plays in a fairly strong league, and the other does not.
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I like Mix, but I do not think he is a transcendent talent. Most of his good performances for the US have come as a substitute, once the game has opened up.
If NYCFC used a DP spot on him, I don't think it would be the best use of resources. NYCFC's DPs should be guys who are capable of succeeding at the top levels. Meanwhile Mix is a player based in Norway who didn't manage to stick when he was loaned to a Belgian side.
But there is one thing that Mix has over all the other listed American players - he will be available on a free transfer. The amount of money it would take to pry the better American talents (like Altidore, Johannsonn, Fabian Johnson, or Brooks) would pretty much automatically make them DPs.
Given that the Norwegian league isn't flowing in cash, I think it could be possible to sign Mix to a sub-DP wage. For $300k per year, I think Mix definitely is worth it. NYCFC after all will have to have American players - MLS teams only can have 8 players who aren't American citizens or green card holders.
If NYCFC used a DP spot on him, I don't think it would be the best use of resources. NYCFC's DPs should be guys who are capable of succeeding at the top levels. Meanwhile Mix is a player based in Norway who didn't manage to stick when he was loaned to a Belgian side.
But there is one thing that Mix has over all the other listed American players - he will be available on a free transfer. The amount of money it would take to pry the better American talents (like Altidore, Johannsonn, Fabian Johnson, or Brooks) would pretty much automatically make them DPs.
Given that the Norwegian league isn't flowing in cash, I think it could be possible to sign Mix to a sub-DP wage. For $300k per year, I think Mix definitely is worth it. NYCFC after all will have to have American players - MLS teams only can have 8 players who aren't American citizens or green card holders.
Great point. If he is given more of a squad role, without immense expectation, I can see him doing a job for the club.
You mean Aron, Brooks and Flores?
Aron is on the up in Europe. Just signed with AZ through 2018, so they'll demand top dollar for him. JAB is a Bundesliga starter. Flores just got to Dortmund, as Americans without dual eu citizenship can't go over until they are 18 due to fifa.
Basically, all would be great. But all of them are either too expensive for us or not really feasible. What i would hope is that we get to the point sooner rather than later that we are developing some of these guys and selling them on to make a handsome profit (shit, maybe that doesn't matter given resources of ownership, weird to think about football in these terms, so maybe that doesn't matter at all, on to the next point).
Even more so, I hope MLS gets to a stage where we as a club don't have to sell these guys when they finish their initial contracts because the league is rewarding to them competitively and financially. As it stands, the league is just now getting to a point where there are guys who are actually important to the US squad who are in MLS. Yeah, there's always been Donovan, but he stands out as the exception that proved the rule.
Mostly, it's tough to get a guy still finding his level, so to speak, to not chase what he grew up watching. The way that changes is about half improving the league, and half giving it time. MLS has just now surpassed MLB in the youth market. As demographics of the consumers expand and evolve, the presence will be more ubiquitous in the landscape. Nevertheless, it will never be everyone's cup of tea, and some guys will leave due to UCL dreams.
Perhaps, well down the line, there might be a way to integrate a knockout round presence from the Americas into UCL. As UEFA and FIFA and everyone involved in these type endeavors have proven over and over, they will chase the money. I don't think for one second if a squad like NYCFC were legitimately of the caliber to be competitive in some such tournament that the powers that be wouldn't find a competition for them that would help these scoundrels line their pockets.
Copa America is just the beginning of Concacaf and conmebol doing more and more together. They'll always maintain separate quailifying processes because it would cost too many people too much money to leave out US or Mexico from the World Cup. But making the Copa America something on the level of Euros over here would be great for the game.
All of that to get said, let me bring it back to MLS: The money and interest in the game required to make MLS a top 10 league already exist. The league just has to capture it.
Folks here like teams from all over, not because they are fake fans, but because they genuinely love football/soccer and took what was available. As part of this club and league's growth, particularly with the new tv schedule/ presence, that will become a less prevalent aspect of the American soccer experience. Yeah, there will be assholes who claim a club like Real Madrid because they play with them on FIFA, but they aren't the sort who move the needle anyway, even for Real, as those guys don't watch actual matches or spend real dollars for the most part.
Well damn. I've wandered way off topic. Sorry. Just going stream of consciousness there. Stopping now because I'm not even sure where all of that was going, other than expressing my hopes for the league and club and my belief that we really are inching ever so close to the tipping point.
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I agree, it isn't feasible for NYCFC to buy any of those players.
Though I will make one note about selling players. NYCFC might not need the cash that comes from selling players...but it certainly could use the allocation money.
Teams that sell homegrown developed players get to keep 75% of the proceeds (the other 25% goes to MLS). But also, up to $650,000 of that money can be used as allocation money - which is basically additional, tradable cap space. And that can be used to improve the roster.
So I imagine that NYCFC will have an extensive academy, with two purposes. The first of which will be to develop quality players for NYCFC's senior team. But the second would be to sell some of those players and reap allocation money.
Agree. He's not Messi. The scouting feature on espn fc, done anonymously by a scout for UCL club, rates him as a potential Rosiscky (sp? The French dude at arsenal) style/level player.
The off pitch considerations on his and the club's part are what make him a great choice to me. It's not that he's the most quality player available. It's how he can fit with what we're doing and check all the boxes, and be a guy that people want to succeed and like. That's why I keep calling him our Jeter. Jeter's never really been the best player any particular season. He's just The Yankee Captain.
It's the way we are here. The best player is never the fan favorite. It's the free agent from Backyard University who connects with us.
And all the better if he looks like he might be the brother of Legolas that Tolkien forgot to mention.
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I get that. Mix is a great guy.
But if he came as a DP, then there would be a lot more expectations on him. I think he would be a quality starter in MLS, but not a DP you build a team around.
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That is a great post.I think you don't understand the dynamics of the world we live in...
There's nothing delusional about what I'm saying. The American league structure doesn't just generate more revenue, it retains it better as well because all the clubs stay in the league whereas the EPL has to give cash to clubs that are always thrown out of the league. Imagine how much the top 3 leagues in America could make if they started selling their jerseys to corporations? It'd be billions more still.
By the way, just a couple of days ago, a DC United goal was #1 on SportsCenter top plays and SportsCenter did lead off with Landon Donovan being dropped from the USMNT. Both things that would NEVER have happened just 10 years ago. The league really hasn't had any significant money in the last 10 years yet look at the staggering growth. Their new contract is finally going to bring them a little bit of cash as well as the fact that the remaining expansion clubs will all go for about 100 million dollars each.
Consider this, just last summer the MLS world was blown away that Seattle could sign Clint Dempsey at age 30. Then, just a few months later, they were blown away again that Toronto would sign Jermain Defoe and Michael Bradley for like $90 million over the course of their contracts and signing Gilberto and Julio Cesar. Now, just a few months later still, both of those have been topped with the signing of David Villa and likely two other big name players (perhaps Lampard and Xavi) and Kaka and Robinho ect. Twilight of their career or not, the last 10 months has seen more big signings than the last 10 years!
The problem with the European structure, as it pertains to TV money, is that it creates a select few super clubs and a bunch of clubs no one that's not a fan of that club cares one bit about. No one wants to watch Norwich City, Cardiff, QPR, Crystal Palace, Hull, Wigan, ect when they're playing just each other. They only want to watch ManU, ManC, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and Everton and the last two aren't that big of a draw. That's really only about 7 clubs out of 20 that people really want to see. Now I'm sure the hardcore would say I'm an idiot and people want to see Newcastle, Sunderland, Aston Villa, and West Ham United but no they don't.
Meanwhile, in MLS, they'll want to see Seattle, LA Galaxy, NYCFC, Toronto, DC United, probably the new LA club, Miami, and maybe even NYRB. But you also want to see Portland, Vancouver, and RSL because they are still title contenders as oppose to their European counterparts. That's the difference. More games are more valuable.
Fair enough.
I wish I could fast forward. I need more news of how this club is building the team!
NYCFCFan10
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Yeah, I think all news will essentially stop for the World Cup... so the next month and a half will be pretty brutal for you.
whill4
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NYCFC linked with Gilardino again
http://www.empireofsoccer.com/alberto-gilardino-interested-26312/
As someone that watches a lot of Serie A I think he'd be a good signing for any MLS team. Classic poacher that loves to get in the box and tap in goals. But using two DP slots on strikers does seem a bit excessive.
http://www.empireofsoccer.com/alberto-gilardino-interested-26312/
As someone that watches a lot of Serie A I think he'd be a good signing for any MLS team. Classic poacher that loves to get in the box and tap in goals. But using two DP slots on strikers does seem a bit excessive.
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If we go for another DP striker, I'd want Balotelli, Drogba or Etoo! 
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