You're the man! Now I have no idea how you fit a stadium the size of Phoenix Rising's without covering that graveyard.
Not the same, but there is precedent for small-time soccer fandom. Red Hook has a thriving immigrant soccer culture with an entire food vendor system on weekends for the games played there, a location that is beyond difficult to get to. it’s not a 1-to-1, translation, but more affordable entertainment goes a long way with communities that don’t, or financially can’t, identify with MLS pricing, location, etc. Granted, NYCFC tix can be had for peanuts on the secondary market, but not all groups search that out.It’s minor league soccer! Literally no precedent in a city like this for that to be a success.
That’s people going to play and watch their family members play, no?Not the same, but there is precedent for small-time soccer fandom. Red Hook has a thriving immigrant soccer culture with an entire food vendor system on weekends for the games played there, a location that is beyond difficult to get to. it’s not a 1-to-1, translation, but more affordable entertainment goes a long way with communities that don’t, or financially can’t, identify with MLS pricing, location, etc. Granted, NYCFC tix can be had for peanuts on the secondary market, but not all groups search that out.
I’ve never polled the people at the field as I’ve run past.That’s people going to play and watch their family members play, no?
Getting people to pay for tickets and travel to a game to see random not-good-enough-for-MLS players seems like an unclimbable hill to me.
Maybe he gets some name brand friends to play, but that’s not a sustainable model.
I guess it depends on what the definition of success is.
NYC news and media barely cover the MLS teams, no way a lower division team is going to get attention.
I haven't watched enough USL to have a set in stone opinion about its quality, but suspect that US Open Cup outcomes are reasonably indicative (that is, MLS is better).
As others have noted, it's nominally on the subway, but it's not super accessible.
As a hyper local Queens thing? Sure, great, I'm all for it. More soccer and better supported clubs are better. But as a bigger thing, to compete with/draw attention away from MLS - which I think is the ambition - it's not adding up.
I guess it depends on what the definition of success is.
NYC news and media barely cover the MLS teams, no way a lower division team is going to get attention.
I haven't watched enough USL to have a set in stone opinion about its quality, but suspect that US Open Cup outcomes are reasonably indicative (that is, MLS is better).
As others have noted, it's nominally on the subway, but it's not super accessible.
As a hyper local Queens thing? Sure, great, I'm all for it. More soccer and better supported clubs are better. But as a bigger thing, to compete with/draw attention away from MLS - which I think is the ambition - it's not adding up.
It also makes it easier on QBFC if we loan them a few players, as we will help fill roster spots but also cover the salaries of said loaned players. We would benefit from getting fringe players minutes, and they can fill out their roster and save money on 3-4 roster spots. I believe Forward Madison had a few Minnesota United players this year, which seemed to work well for both clubs. Close proximity definitely helps.The Cyclones and SI Yanks both get pretty good attendance, so there is room for minor league sports in New York. Neither team makes any kind of wave in the media, but they're there and they draw. I'm sure this team can get 4-5,000 fans a game because if prices are cheap enough, a fun night out is still a fun night out. But no, they won't challenge NYCFC or the Red Bulls for relevance in this market. The big question is whether they can get a local TV deal. SNY last year had the rugby team and also airs some Cyclones games, so they have proven to be in the market for minor league sports. Maybe they get involved. That's the best way to gain relevance here. If they're not on TV, they might as well not even exist in this area.
I will say this, I would very much like to see NYCFC make this team its affiliate. Send players that aren't in the 18 across town to get minutes is way better than loaning guys out across the country.
It also makes it easier on QBFC if we loan them a few players, as we will help fill roster spots but also cover the salaries of said loaned players. We would benefit from getting fringe players minutes, and they can fill out their roster and save money on 3-4 roster spots. I believe Forward Madison had a few Minnesota United players this year, which seemed to work well for both clubs. Close proximity definitely helps.
Also the fact that the person running their entire organization is the biggest legend in NYCFC history -- there should be a connection there. We're not competing against them, so team up. It literally can't do anything but help both organizations. It'll give them some goodwill, probably gives us some goodwill. NYCFC should already be on the phone with them about this.
Yup, Abu Danladi got some minutes at Forward Madison this last season and I think there were a few others.It also makes it easier on QBFC if we loan them a few players, as we will help fill roster spots but also cover the salaries of said loaned players. We would benefit from getting fringe players minutes, and they can fill out their roster and save money on 3-4 roster spots. I believe Forward Madison had a few Minnesota United players this year, which seemed to work well for both clubs. Close proximity definitely helps.
Good one!I’ve never polled the people at the field as I’ve run past.
From September 2017:HOLD UP!
wasn't that dairy factory thats next to the field in york college one of the spots that nycfc looked into for a stadium? I know it was like a footnote in one of the reports someone linked like a year ago. i remember looking this place up a while ago.
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wasn't that dairy factory thats next to the field in york college one of the spots that nycfc looked into for a stadium? I know it was like a footnote in one of the reports someone linked like a year ago. i remember looking this place up a while ago.
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You're correct, it is that same site. I think the report was over a year ago, so good memory.
I have this awful feeling that NYCFC passed on some viable sites that could have had shovels in the ground already due to their obsession with being close to YS.
I also wonder if Villa had some inside info about this over the years and at some point said "these guys are idiots/idiotas" and decided he'd build at one of these sites if they won't.
True true. But luckily, our opinions don’t mean much as onlookers to the process (except for adam who’s already planning his kosher cheeseburger tailgates).I love how the range of opinion on this goes from QBFC can’t possibly succeed to QBFC is a threat to NYCFC (as seen mostly on Twitter).