Ronny Deila Named NYCFC Head Coach / Deila Joins Standard Liège

[moogoo]

i don't know whether the club is looking to boot ronnie or not. all i know is my opinion of our players vs his opinion of our players just don't match up. His strategies and tactics don't make sense (e.g. starting 8 defensive players (with some out of position) vs orlando in a brand new formation). I get that there are growing pains with any new coach change. That's just how it is. But so far, what i've seen from Ronnie is someone who has a lot of ideas but none that are truly good and a pretty poor ability to evaluate players while watching tape and training. It's mind boggling why he makes the decisions he does and doesn't even use the subs we have for this tournament.

I'm more than willing to give him a shot, but my hopes are not high. When we struggled in 2018 and into 2019, I was never on the DomeOut train. I saw what he was trying to do and I knew it would take time. I just don't see it with Ronnie. Perhaps his tactics are just too high level for my feeble non-pro mind to understand...

 

[Shwafta]

It would make sense the short leash considering who we brought in as assistants, etc. where we all speculated that "getting rid of Deila really would not be tough at all"

 

[Kjbert]

We're playing a preseason tournament. We have yet to see what the system looks like when players are match-fit.

when I posted that, we had scored one goal ALL SEASON

 

[ZYanksRule]

when I posted that, we had scored one goal ALL SEASON

I understand that, but in a normal season you would never make such rash judgements after only two games. We have now played 4 games in our restart, and on the fourth game we looked like the normal NYCFC again. Sometimes teams just start slowly.

 

[Kjbert]

How long did Palace give frank de boer?

 

[Keith Putnam]

How long did Palace give frank de boer?

Counterpoint: how long did Atlanta give Frank de Boer?

 

[Rimil]

Counterpoint: how long did Atlanta give Frank de Boer?

Honestly i was not familiar with the guy's coaching career prior to the ATL signing, but holy crap, reading his wiki page.... dude was sacked everywhere he's been in short order..... why did i get this sense that ATL had some kind of stud coach hire,. Whoever was behind that hype train did a good job.

 

[Shwafta]

Honestly i was not familiar with the guy's coaching career prior to the ATL signing, but holy crap, reading his wiki page.... dude was sacked everywhere he's been in short order..... why did i get this sense that ATL had some kind of stud coach hire,. Whoever was behind that hype train did a good job.

idk, everything I read from the day he was hired was "meh'... similar to what I'm seeing with Ronny... Which isn't exactly something you'd want to see is consistent between places someone's been. I'm willing to give him more time, but if it's so consistent like it is with De Boer...

New York City FC Names Nick Cushing as Assistant Coach | New York City FC

New York City FC Names Nick Cushing as Assistant Coach

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Honestly at this point I'd just say let's give cushing a chance sooner rather than later

 

[Annagram]

In some big leagues (not all) the importance of the DoF has grown bigger and bigger, and you can change the head coach even a couple of times a year if things go badly wrong. This happens a lot in Bundesliga.
Not in MLS, where you can pick players from two shelves, the one with overripe fruit and the other with the raw. Those between are few and far between (type Ring, Tinnerholm, and players like Atlanta’s Gressel). Raw diamonds are quickly lost.
That means the importance of the head coach’s abilities is still huge in this league. It appeared that after a shaky start, Domè was definitely up to the task. I’m pretty sure Deila is not.

 

[ManhattanValley]

So it seems all was not entirely well in the locker room last week:

NYCFC silenced their critics as a team with a performance Ring said “went back to the roots [of] the way we want to play.”

That was the message the team’s leadership group — Ring, Maxime Chanot, Sean Johnson, Anton Tinnerholm, Maxi Moralez and Heber — shared in a meeting with first-year head coach Ronny Deila after the Red Bulls loss.

”We’re all grown men and I think it’s important to be honest because a career is short and time is short and you shouldn’t waste time, look back and regretting it,” said Ring, the captain and goal scorer when asked about the meeting. “There’s no friction between the team and the coach and I think we showed that today. I think it was a productive meeting.”

And here's what Deila said about it:

“They were very clear that we have to go a little bit back to basics and what we are about with being on the front foot, attacking, pressing high up in the pitch and play from behind and all these different things,” Deila said.

”I felt after the game against Red Bull that there was something that we weren’t connected enough in what we did,” Deila said. “And [the players] were very clear and what style of play: being more in [the opponent’s] half and more offensive in mentality. I think that’s great for me because that’s what I want as well. It’s always about communication. Small things can make a big difference. One thing is what you mean to say and another is what gets received. But today I saw a team that takes responsibility and really, really was committed to each other and to the match plan.”

This is massive. The players were unhappy enough with the situation that they went to Deila to demand the tactics change. Not only did Deila give in, but he says he always wanted to play the same way too.

I'm willing to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and believe them when they say the meeting was productive and that there's no friction between coach and team. And from the performance/result last night, we can tell the players are prepared to go to battle while Deila is in charge. But at a bare minimum there are now pretty serious questions about Deila's ability to communicate his playing philosophy, the players' willingness to sign up to that philosophy, and the level of authority Deila has over the players. For all the issues they faced, these were never questions faced by Vieira or Dome (apart from some grumblings about David Villa near the end of 2018). They were very much questions faced by Jason Kreis. Sure, we won the game last night. But the events of the last week tell us that Deila is now firmly in the Kreis category. However the Deila era ends at NYCFC, this meeting will be a pivotal moment in it.

 

[Shwafta]

So it seems all was not entirely well in the locker room last week:



And here's what Deila said about it:



This is massive. The players were unhappy enough with the situation that they went to Deila to demand the tactics change. Not only did Deila give in, but he says he always wanted to play the same way too.

I'm willing to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and believe them when they say the meeting was productive and that there's no friction between coach and team. And from the performance/result last night, we can tell the players are prepared to go to battle while Deila is in charge. But at a bare minimum there are now pretty serious questions about Deila's ability to communicate his playing philosophy, the players' willingness to sign up to that philosophy, and the level of authority Deila has over the players. For all the issues they faced, these were never questions faced by Vieira or Dome (apart from some grumblings about David Villa near the end of 2018). They were very much questions faced by Jason Kreis. Sure, we won the game last night. But the events of the last week tell us that Deila is now firmly in the Kreis category. However the Deila era ends at NYCFC, this meeting will be a pivotal moment in it.

Yeah. Could also be Deila came in with what he wanted and NYCFC said "nah, you're gonna do this..." and then he tried molding his philosophy to it which didn't work? And then the players demanded something different? This is all speculation so we can't know for sure.

 

[ZYanksRule]

So it seems all was not entirely well in the locker room last week:



And here's what Deila said about it:



This is massive. The players were unhappy enough with the situation that they went to Deila to demand the tactics change. Not only did Deila give in, but he says he always wanted to play the same way too.

I'm willing to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and believe them when they say the meeting was productive and that there's no friction between coach and team. And from the performance/result last night, we can tell the players are prepared to go to battle while Deila is in charge. But at a bare minimum there are now pretty serious questions about Deila's ability to communicate his playing philosophy, the players' willingness to sign up to that philosophy, and the level of authority Deila has over the players. For all the issues they faced, these were never questions faced by Vieira or Dome (apart from some grumblings about David Villa near the end of 2018). They were very much questions faced by Jason Kreis. Sure, we won the game last night. But the events of the last week tell us that Deila is now firmly in the Kreis category. However the Deila era ends at NYCFC, this meeting will be a pivotal moment in it.

That's very interesting to hear about, but let's not act as if this means there is turmoil in the locker room between the players and Deila. I love Ring's quote about it. "We're all grown men ... there's no friction." I feel like so often fans can make broad assumptions over stuff like this, when the truth is much simpler. Good on the players for taking charge of the situation and good on Deila for listening.

 

[Fantazma]

So it seems all was not entirely well in the locker room last week:



And here's what Deila said about it:



This is massive. The players were unhappy enough with the situation that they went to Deila to demand the tactics change. Not only did Deila give in, but he says he always wanted to play the same way too.

I'm willing to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and believe them when they say the meeting was productive and that there's no friction between coach and team. And from the performance/result last night, we can tell the players are prepared to go to battle while Deila is in charge. But at a bare minimum there are now pretty serious questions about Deila's ability to communicate his playing philosophy, the players' willingness to sign up to that philosophy, and the level of authority Deila has over the players. For all the issues they faced, these were never questions faced by Vieira or Dome (apart from some grumblings about David Villa near the end of 2018). They were very much questions faced by Jason Kreis. Sure, we won the game last night. But the events of the last week tell us that Deila is now firmly in the Kreis category. However the Deila era ends at NYCFC, this meeting will be a pivotal moment in it.

If Deila wanted to play the same way,....then why didnt he instruct them to basically play the same? What was he trying to do?

 

[moogoo]

If Deila wanted to play the same way,....then why didnt he instruct them to basically play the same? What was he trying to do?

that's what baffles me too. he talked of attacking football, yet the one game he fielded 8 defensive players and his formations have been more defensive than attacking focused.

i get he wants rigid structure, but our secret sauce was our fluidity and creativity between the lines, which gave breath to the balls out to the wings for mata and tinnerholm. if all we do is the latter, we are easy to defend. especially since our crosses are to nobody and we have 1, maybe 2, players in the box at most.

 

[Kjbert]

Sounds like a coach trying to save a little face.
Happy to see that Chanot is part of the leadership group. Great guy but he hasn’t always been there mentally unfortunately

 

[Shawn Ryu]

Won 3 in a row. Thoughts on Deila now?

I think he's finally adjusting to the league. But we shall see.

 

[moogoo]

Won 3 in a row. Thoughts on Deila now?

I think he's finally adjusting to the league. But we shall see.

Think this is more on the players than it is Ronny. Things all changed after they had their pow wow with him. We are playing much more like we did last year than anything Ronny had us playing this year. Aside from the strange lineups with Ring up front, our style is much more like 2019 but more strict in our formation.

 

[LionNYC]

A great piece on one of our assistant coaches:

‘It’s naive to say English players’ pathways will be blocked by foreign stars’

Nick Cushing explains why he swapped Man City Women for New York City and how new arrivals in the WSL can help English players and coaches

theathletic.com

 

[mgarbowski]

After the Kreis failure we’ve been committed to coaches with foreign experience. Maybe we shouldn’t be.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1321930908463730688

Maybe Tata Martino was an outlier. And yes, Dome was working out but he left early, just like Patrick did.

i don’t know. It’s 2am and I can’t get back to sleep. But if next year Ronnie gets the team humming and then abandons us then we need a new approach. And if he doesn’t get the team humming, same thing.

 

[mgarbowski]

Hire Ted Lasso.