SKC Postmatch

[leilanikali420]

Vieira fucks up a three game week again.

Please elaborate on "fucks up a three game week again"...by getting 6 points? winning our first derby? two conference wins? moving to the top of the standings? having a team with players in contention for MVP an ROTY? I mean I wasn't in Frank's corner after he duped us for Man City but hold no grudge - however at this point it seems like you're just being petty for pettiness sake.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Please elaborate on "fucks up a three game week again"...by getting 6 points? winning our first derby? two conference wins? moving to the top of the standings? having a team with players in contention for MVP an ROTY? I mean I wasn't in Frank's corner after he duped us for Man City but hold no grudge - however at this point it seems like you're just being petty for pettiness sake.

Team has looked like shit in the third game in a week twice. Seems to be on coach to me.

By the way, Frank touched the ball 19 times in central midfield tonight. By comparison, Mikey Lopez, who tries, had 11 touches in ten minutes in his position. And fielhaber had 81 touches in central midfield.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

I knew it We were in trouble when I asked for dill chips for my burger, and my wife came back from Brooklyn Fare with a damn jar of bread and butter pickles. That is in no way comparable or an acceptable substitute.

I found a single kosher in a jar in the back of the fridge. Said it expired in June 14. I ate it anyway. Pretty blah. Like this game.

 

[leilanikali420]

Team has looked like shit in the third game in a week twice. Seems to be on coach to me.

By the way, Frank touched the ball 19 times in central midfield tonight. By comparison, Mikey Lopez, who tries, had 11 touches in ten minutes in his position. And fielhaber had 81 touches in central midfield.

Ohhhh okay, for pettiness sake then - got it #TomPetty

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Ohhhh okay, for pettiness sake then - got it #TomPetty

Not sure what you mean, I'm really just saying it was weird to play the same team three games in a row with no rotation and they looked flat. Played the defense three games in a row and got crushed by red bull.

 

[ZYanksRule]

Team has looked like shit in the third game in a week twice. Seems to be on coach to me.

By the way, Frank touched the ball 19 times in central midfield tonight. By comparison, Mikey Lopez, who tries, had 11 touches in ten minutes in his position. And fielhaber had 81 touches in central midfield.

I'd love to see a team's record in MLS when playing for the third time in seven games. I bet it's not very good.

 

[QuigrNYCFC]

I knew it We were in trouble when I asked for dill chips for my burger, and my wife came back from Brooklyn Fare with a damn jar of bread and butter pickles. That is in no way comparable or an acceptable substitute.

I found a single kosher in a jar in the back of the fridge. Said it expired in June 14. I ate it anyway. Pretty blah. Like this game.

Our midfield can sometimes play like a jar of old pickles. Look like them too.

 

[Viewfrom226]

Viewfrom226 You should ask NYCFC to reimburse your airfare and hotel for this game. Our performance was not worthy of the money spent.

Nah, I take the good with the bad. Obviously it was a pretty dreadful performance (though our goal was beautiful), but ultimately I can't get that upset about this one. On the road, against a pretty good Western conference team, playing for the third time in eight days and it was sweltering hot. In a league of parity where I don't think any team has ever average 2 ppg, those are the points I can most live with dropping. Next three games are much more important with two tough conference road games and then Colorado at home. If they come out and suck it against Montreal next week, when Montreal will be flying back from Portland midweek, then I'll be really bummed.

Plus, the stadium is really excellent. It is the best in MLS of the group that I've been to by a pretty wide margin (though I haven't been to any of the Cascadia teams yet). So, yeah, it was a bummer, but I'm okay with it.

All that being said, it is a bit frustrating that they are now 1-2-1 when I travel and 4-1-0 on the road when I don't. Perhaps its good that I had to abort the midweek trip to New England at the last moment this week.

 

[Viewfrom226]

Am I bad fan for not really caring about this loss, for not being upset with the loss?

Coming off four straight wins, third game in a week, on the road, Western Conference team -- this was a schedule loss, and one that, frankly, will have as little baring on our postseason implications as any game on our schedule the rest of the way.

We lost. It was bound to happen. Much-needed week of rest and recoup for a much, much, much more important game in terms of conference standings against Montreal.

Totally agree with this.

 

[Viewfrom226]

I'm going to talk about this this week in my next preview, but here's the one thing from this match that concerned me from a longer term perspective. Usually I worry when teams let us play out of the back and then trap us when we try to work the ball out because it creates all of those scary moments of watching guys with limited ball-playing skills playing the ball deep in our own zone. Recently, it seemed like we'd at least gotten to the point where we were still turning it over a lot, but in less dangerous positions and so we were doing better.

Today, though, Vermes has his two wings sit on the two CBs plus had Espinoza (who is really impressive in person BTW) sit on Pirlo on just about every goal kick. As stressful as it is when we try to play out of the back, this was actually worse because we were just hoofing the ball down the field and losing possession right away because Mustivar, Olum and Opara cleaned up all of the headers. That is one of the reasons why we never had the ball. He brought on Mullins with Villa playing a bit underneath him to try to deal with it, but it really didn't help. I'm actually not quite sure how to fix this one, and am curious to see if other teams do the same.

 

[21Architect]

On the positive: Remove shitty ref calls and a shitty Saunders and it's only 1-1.

Exactly. And our goal was a thing of beauty.

I think we have one or two posters here who thought we'd never lose another match all year.

Saunders was beyond awful, Villa was awful and our back line was bad. It happens.

This loss does not negate what this team has accomplished lately.

And Alexi Lalas is the worst. Give me Taylor Twellman any day over Lalas.

 

[NickA]

Firstly we aren't going to win every game. So I think we are all ok with this being one of those losses. As terrible as we played, it could have easily been a 1-1 result.

There was not one player tonight that was worthy of applause. We shit the bed. I hope we never see that defensive set up or Matarrita up top again. I think his overlapping runs from the back were desperately needed. RJ on the left was atrocious and Jason can hardly handle the ball as a CB let alone a RB. Between Saunders & the back 4 we looked like amateurs trying to pass or handle a pass. If they were lucky enough to control the ball...it was either pass to the guy being doubled or launch it down field and hope for the best. Except for the beautiful goal we had, we just didn't have that mojo going.

Oh and Lalas sucks. He makes his anti-nycfc bias obvious. He's a hack and if you think about, wasn't even that great of a player.

 

[S1ARK5]

Josh Saunders would be a problem spot for a USL team.

He's been horrible every match this year. He's so bad, if he manages to luck up and not have one of 5-15 screw ups per game result in a score, he gets credited with a good performance. He, and we, weren't so lucky tonight.

We could have used Matarrita in his position. And Mix's energy might have helped.

Missed the game but watched the highlight and all three goals were on him. The first goal, he has to just be able to read the ball in the air better. We all know this is a major weak point that he has, among many other facets of his game. He has to read the ball in the air better and he is so slow footed and has no athletic ability to jump, thus he looks like that on a ball that should have never been a goal.

The second goal, well not even worth getting into. That was just awful.

The third goal, again, he has to be quicker with his movement and judgement. As soon as Mena was not able to slow him down, Saunders has to be off to the races and get to that ball and make himself big, and do it FAST.

I will say this, we are very much improved but we still are amateur hour in NET and this is why we have no shot to win MLS Cup this year. You can tell after that second goal, the whole team was just like "ahhh fuck it".

 

[EganSoccerWords]

As bad as we played, we shouldnt have lost. Saunders let up two terrible goals and the third was offsides

 

[Ulrich]

So so so painful to watch..... Thought in no particular order:

1. The lineup was a colossal mistake. Mata wasn't the problem - he made the great run that was barely offsides but would've been a breakaway, and he had the assist on the goal - we just could never get the ball to him. The real problem was playing essentially the same lineup from earlier games. Now I was a proponent of playing this lineup, and stated so in posts, but definitely not in a heat wave 95deg that necessitated two water breaks. That's just too much for any of the players, even the young ones. PV should have made wholesale changes and used the full roster - losing with them wouldn't be any worse than losing with the gang we had.
2. Saunders is maybe the worst GK ever to play in MLS. Was he missing a contact lens and had zero depth perception, because it sure seemed like he couldn't see the ball??? Just bench him for the rest of the season - his shutouts were a function of good defense in front of him, not because he was bossing the box.
3. The ref and linemen were horrible. Was a foul ever called on SKC? We breathe on them and it's whistled. And the two offside goals...... They were either inept, highly likely, or the fix was in, because that was a collection of the most homerish home-field refs ever.
4. Tactics - we have to have a Plan B when teams take away the short goal kick. Patrick Mullins isn't the answer. Maybe just kicking it as far down the field out of bounds so at least we can mark up on the throw instead of easily turning it over on the kick?
5. Villa 1.0 was back last night. Not sure I blame him, but even he has to keep his head on and act like a captain when all else is crumbling.
6. Hernandez is a liability as a RB. He's a liability as a CB. He's slow, badly positioned, and he commits obvious fouls when beaten - I'm amazed the ref didn't card him for the blatant tug on the guy that raced past him.
7. In the end, it was just 1 loss after four wins. We must get points against Montreal (they are coming off a midweek game) - 1pt will be tolerable, but we should really play for 3.

 

[mgarbowski]

. Was a foul ever called on SKC?

SKC had 17 fouls. We had 11.

 

[Ulrich]

SKC had 17 fouls. We had 11.

Then they should have had about 10 more - Villa and Pirlo were constantly mugged with no call and play immediately led to counter attacks.

 

[Christopher Jee]

Heat + 3 games in a week + difficulties getting there as a total disruption to preparations + PV sabotaging any ability to play out of the back with a narrow defence, just to get Mata up the wing = a loss I hope to forget about quickly.

 

[Pirlo Poku]

Just as an aside, the ball was bouncing everywhere during that game. It looked like beautiful turf, but was surprising how badly it played.

 

[joe]

Not much to say here.

Apparently the forum agrees given the number of comments.

Just a bummer of a game. Team was never in it, whether fatigue, travel, whatever.

#WheresMix