At first I was against this, but if your team isn't showing discipline on the field (they're not), you need to create a sense of discipline elsewhere. I think it's a little over the top considering the video - but he needs to set an example. These guys look like shit.
Vieira suspends Khiry and Lopez
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Neither of these guys was talking smack/shit, or making any comments at all about any specific opponent. (Their mention of the Fire was perfunctory.) They were just psyching themselves up, as all good competitors do. Totally unobjectionable.
If the players had said anything insulting about the Fire or about any other team, then Vieira would be in the right. But, as it is, the manager's reaction was excessive, and probably not at all helpful to the psyches of these players.
By not mentioning a team by name, they were talking smack about EVERY team. And how is social media a tool for psyching one's self up??? Social media is ALL about telling others what's on your mind, and that's the problem.
lol social media is not the way to psych your self up...maybe before a derby game cuz the vibe is all over the team. the Fire is also not a team you need to "psych yourself up" for.....and team still failed, granted shelton didnt play but still. do this pre red bull game then i may give a pass....i dont think it was excessive....some managers dont care others do....its up to each coach.
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Simply saying "we're going to get the W" does not amount to talking smack by any stretch of the imagination.
If the manager doesn't want them to do that, then that's his prerogative. But he should simply have told them not to do that any more; he certainly should not have made any public statement nor should he have suspended the players. Unwise, and very petty; it's seeing something offensive that just isn't there, a move right out of the Billy Martin school of how not to be a leader.
the part before the "gettting the W" was what upset PV. belittling the opponent. like i said every coach has his/her ways of dealing with stuff like this and now we know what PV doesnt want from his players. and mikey has been on social media more than the field....work on getting back to playing.
honestly mikey may not have been used anyway...shelton sure, could he have helped maybe. it would of been worse if both played and we lost then it would come and bite them in the ass. thats how it is in social media world. be ready to deal with replies and consequences no matter how big or small it is.
Stop trying to justify it. You're parsing their comments. Saying it doesn't matter which team they're playing is a big problem. And... you're assuming Vieira has not set up a set of team rules, which is absolutely baffling to even suggest considering this is a professional organization in the public eye. Actions have consequences, and telling somebody not to do something again after they break a rule does not get a point across.
In a way I think a fine, even a small one, might have been worse. I can't imagine what it is like being on a team with the economic disparities of MLS. A player making under 100k alongside a player making 6M. Even the loss of a few hundred bucks in that context might feel pretty disheartening, especially knowing that the richer teammates could shrug it off without a question. But losing playing time hits everyone in the same painful way.
Except for Lampard, of course.
Good to know a well-placed Lampard joke can still catch me off guard.
yes true thats why i placed the whole part of not knowing what CBA rules are for internal discipline. i dont know if its even allowed because of what you mentioned about many not making enough.
After watching the video again:
1) It was made for Fox Sports and not their own social media accounts.
2) If you don't want your players to be confident and believe you can beat any team, what are you doing in sports?
3) If Khiry and Mikey were suspended a game for what they said, I should be suspended too for what I said to Chicago over the course of the game. The best line was said when they were coming out for warmups: "You're getting the first pick of the MLS Draft next year. You're going to be the worst team in the league again!"
1) It was made for Fox Sports and not their own social media accounts.
2) If you don't want your players to be confident and believe you can beat any team, what are you doing in sports?
3) If Khiry and Mikey were suspended a game for what they said, I should be suspended too for what I said to Chicago over the course of the game. The best line was said when they were coming out for warmups: "You're getting the first pick of the MLS Draft next year. You're going to be the worst team in the league again!"
He runs a tight ship. A lot of the guys on our team are still kids and could easily get caught up in the NYC life ( Think Velazquez last year).
They come from places in the US and abroad that are nothing like NYC. Matarrita already has a whole new look. NYC is a lot of fun if you have $ and as a pro athlete there is no shortage of people buying you drinks or offering you drugs.
Same shit the young players are exposed to in Europe and Vieira seems like he is having none of it.
They come from places in the US and abroad that are nothing like NYC. Matarrita already has a whole new look. NYC is a lot of fun if you have $ and as a pro athlete there is no shortage of people buying you drinks or offering you drugs.
Same shit the young players are exposed to in Europe and Vieira seems like he is having none of it.
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Great point
I'm not going to repeat what has already been said well (I agree with the move for the reasons eloquently stated herein), but, to make matters worse, it is not clear whether or not ML actually knew who they were playing. It may have been part of the shtick, but I am not so sure. It probably didn't help that it could have gone either way.
A subtle thing that I noticed in an occasional sound byte (sometimes in Spanish) that often impressed me last season was how Villa seemed to always be studying the table, teams, and players. I had wondered how far all-in a player like Villa would go in the MLS, whether it would be limited to just trying to win games, or fully embracing the league as if he were still playing in La Liga. He seems to have gone there, to me confirming the level of his commitment. I am not sure some of the DPs can even name the other teams in the league, which is not unexpected.
If the older heroes with nothing to prove can go all-in, the youngsters with everything to prove must, in every way.
A subtle thing that I noticed in an occasional sound byte (sometimes in Spanish) that often impressed me last season was how Villa seemed to always be studying the table, teams, and players. I had wondered how far all-in a player like Villa would go in the MLS, whether it would be limited to just trying to win games, or fully embracing the league as if he were still playing in La Liga. He seems to have gone there, to me confirming the level of his commitment. I am not sure some of the DPs can even name the other teams in the league, which is not unexpected.
If the older heroes with nothing to prove can go all-in, the youngsters with everything to prove must, in every way.
Just a curious thought. Do you think we will stop seeing Mikey Lopez interviews? I feel like he would still be allowed to do it and have fun, but he would feel more uncomfortable about it after his punishment and not want to do more social media for either accidental slip ups or because of the awkwardness/humiliation that he went through.
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When I was kid in the 1970s, I thought Billy was great. Of course, I was not aware then that he was calling Reggie Jackson "boy" and Kenny Holtzman "the kike"; nor was I aware of how he cruelly humiliated and ostracised Glenn Burke, who was gay, when Billy managed him with the A's. I did know that Billy resented Reggie's arrival to the Yankees because he saw it as Steinbrenner dictating to him (which, even then, I thought was ridiculous, but I was willing to overlook in the euphoria of victory); but I was not at all aware of Billy's really ugly side.
When I think of Tommy Lasorda, the contrast to Billy becomes even clearer. Lasorda is revered as a leader. We all know that Lasorda is a loudmouth with a fiery temper; his recorded tirade about Kurt Bevacqua is legendary. But he is a fundamentally decent person who genuinely cared about his players. One cannot help but be touched by the reverence and the affection which Cey, Lopes, Garvey, Monday, and the rest of his Dodger players still express when they speak about him.
Billy, on the other hand, was a snarling animal who saw even his own players as threats and opponents, and who would just as soon hit one of them as shake his hand. It is notable that none of Billy's former players ever praise him. Jackson and Gossage are open about their dislike of him; and the others -- Nettles, Piniella, Chambliss, Lyle -- all remain silent, saying when pressed only that Billy was a great strategist. (Though I'd bet that all those A's pitchers whose careers he ruined wouldn't even say that.)
No one can deny that Billy was a great baseball thinker. And, in the short term, he improved every team that he went to. But it is clear that he was no leader of men. He was a spiteful person, and he was extremely irresponsible and unprofessional at his job. (Rhoden at DH? Pagliarulo batting right-handed?!)
The truth is that Billy embarassed the Yankees far more than he helped them. (Consider that his greatest contribution to the Yankees' 1978 title was the fact that he got himself fired. His absence was the best gift that he could have given that team, a fact to which all the players of that time will attest.)
I certainly won't say that Vieira is comparable to Billy in terms of being a self-destructive mess. Actual football analogues would be figures such as Paolo di Canio, Nigel Pearson, Roy Keane. But, while Vieira is no volatile hothead, as Billy and those aforementioned other football managers were, Vieira's misreading and mishandling of this particular little situation reminds one of behaviour caused by Billy's insecurity, especially his act of making a public statement that is designed to embarass, in a case where a more mature manager would have simply had a private word. Billy's unrelenting spitefulness and pettiness cost him the respect of his players; Vieira's unnecessary grandstanding in this situation has likely had a similar effect on a smaller scale. But perhaps Vieira, unlike Billy, will reflect on this one misstep and will improve his methods as he goes along.
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I thought Vieira's move was a good one. Publicly talking smack about your opponent before the game isn't going to inspire you to play harder and more effectively in the game but it might inspire your opponent to do so (or try to put a cleat through your foot). I thought it was a good teaching moment from our coach that didn't really make it less likely we were going to fail to win.
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