2017 Summer Signings

[Ulrich]

I think we tend to overstate the need for strong defense out of our fullbacks. We've given up close to the fewest goals per game in the league with Matarrita, white and sweat at fullback, not exactly lockdown open field defenders. With the improvement in our midfield, we are not seeing teams allowed to have their defensive mids move full speed into our zone with 5 guys in front of them to choose a pass from (like vs TO in the playoffs).

For me, its fun to watch lesser known guys like white and sweat improve week to week. I think white has really imporved this year, but I would not be upset to upgrade right back with a matarrita type (especially to help move the ball up the right side to Jackie boy), and I wouldn't be worried about defense if we did.

I'm not sure how we can overstate the need for defense from the outside backs? Along with amazing GK saves, they're a big reason we held Dallas to only 1 goal Sunday night considering only two midfielders were playing defense. Guarantee if Mata had been on the field there'd have been many more desperation tackles/fouls on the left side to stem the onslaught of attacks there.

 

[sbrylski]

For me, its fun to watch lesser known guys like white and sweat improve week to week.

I prefer goals and winning, lol. But I know what you're saying.

The idea of giving Harrison a strong attacking fullback to work with on the right side is too delicious.

 

[SoupInNYC]

I'm not sure how we can overstate the need for defense from the outside backs? Along with amazing GK saves, they're a big reason we held Dallas to only 1 goal Sunday night considering only two midfielders were playing defense. Guarantee if Mata had been on the field there'd have been many more desperation tackles/fouls on the left side to stem the onslaught of attacks there.

Our defense from our LB was definitely NOT a reason why we held Dallas to 1 point on Sunday, because there was 0 defense from our LB on Sunday.

Understanding that it was against a very talented team in Dallas, I don't understand how Sweat hasn't been crucified on here due to his defense on Sunday night. He picked up a terrible yellow, and was constantly too slow and unable to track back and cover the flank. Hence why you saw Callens defending wide most of the night.

Yeah, I get it, he made some nice crosses (and they really were quite nice), but his defense on Sunday was way worse than we see out of Mata. I don't understand how what I've read and heard (NYCFC Nation pod, in fact they criticized Callens for some of his one-on-one defending when he was forced to come out wide and take on Sweat's man) out of his performance Sunday night was positive. I know his performance against Atlanta was pretty good, but Dallas was god awful.

Or am I missing something here? (this could easily totally be the case)

 

[LionNYC]

In all seriousness, is a RB from a league known for attacking flair & short on defense really what we're in need of?

And if we did sign him, it'd drive LionNYC crazy every game to see Johansson in the lineup only to realize at kickoff it's not Lurch.

This guy has two n's in his last name. Clear difference. Johannson vs. Johansen.

 

[Kjbert]

In the same article that mentions Johannson from AZ Alkmaar, it says that Rubio Rubin is available on a free this summer.

will be interesting to see where he ends up.

 

[Ulrich]

Our defense from our LB was definitely NOT a reason why we held Dallas to 1 point on Sunday, because there was 0 defense from our LB on Sunday.

Understanding that it was against a very talented team in Dallas, I don't understand how Sweat hasn't been crucified on here due to his defense on Sunday night. He picked up a terrible yellow, and was constantly too slow and unable to track back and cover the flank. Hence why you saw Callens defending wide most of the night.

Yeah, I get it, he made some nice crosses (and they really were quite nice), but his defense on Sunday was way worse than we see out of Mata. I don't understand how what I've read and heard (NYCFC Nation pod, in fact they criticized Callens for some of his one-on-one defending when he was forced to come out wide and take on Sweat's man) out of his performance Sunday night was positive. I know his performance against Atlanta was pretty good, but Dallas was god awful.

Or am I missing something here? (this could easily totally be the case)

I posted in the post-match thread about why I believe Sweat had a difficult time, and it came down to Ring having to choose to either shade over to help close down or stay central, and his indecision because TMac wasnt supporting him the way Hererra normally led to hesitation. Once Maxi started to help defend he middle around the 60min mark, then Sweat's play improved.

 

[Yankeedom]

In the same article that mentions Johannson from AZ Alkmaar, it says that Rubio Rubin is available on a free this summer.

will be interesting to see where he ends up.

If Rubin truly is available on a free, we better explore the f*** outta that.

 

[Ulrich]

In light of the most recent game, I'd be quite happy with the following stuff happing the first day of the summer window:

1. Pirlo retires
2. Mata is sold for max GAM
3. Fuchs is signed (I would bet as a DP, but prefer TAM/GAM)
4. Rubio Rubin is signed
5. Mix is sold for GAM profit (no idea what amount)
6. TMac is traded for TAM and/or GAM
7. Mystery MF player is signed
8. Camargo loan is terminated
9. Mystery Def is signed
10. Mystery MF/F is signed

Saw on MLS article them mention Conor OBrian wants to come back to MLS and is interested in NYC/RB. I don't know anything about him other than he's a local boy that plays DMid. Being American is good for the roster as is a true DMid, but only if the price is right and he's actually good.

No other thoughts on players. Open to whatever works.

 

[Kjbert]

In light of the most recent game, I'd be quite happy with the following stuff happing the first day of the summer window:

1. Pirlo retires - 30/70
2. Mata is sold for max GAM 60/40
3. Fuchs is signed (I would bet as a DP, but prefer TAM/GAM) 50/50
4. Rubio Rubin is signed 1/99
5. Mix is sold for GAM profit (no idea what amount) 0/100
6. TMac is traded for TAM and/or GAM 50/50
7. Mystery MF player is signed 99/1
8. Camargo loan is terminated 1/99
9. Mystery Def is signed 99/1
10. Mystery MF/F is signed 99/1

Saw on MLS article them mention Conor OBrian wants to come back to MLS and is interested in NYC/RB. I don't know anything about him other than he's a local boy that plays DMid. Being American is good for the roster as is a true DMid, but only if the price is right and he's actually good.

No other thoughts on players. Open to whatever works.

 

[Ulrich]

You realize that if you're 99% sure those three mystery players are being signed, then there's a 99% chance that we're dropping three players in one form or another (trade/sell/retire). So far, the odds you gave for the other items aren't balancing.

 

[Kjbert]

You realize that if you're 99% sure those three mystery players are being signed, then there's a 99% chance that we're dropping three players in one form or another (trade/sell/retire). So far, the odds you gave for the other items aren't balancing.

Only 4 players were mentioned

 

[Ulrich]

Only 4 players were mentioned

Pirlo, Mata, TMac, Mix, Camargo. Only Mata was given a slightly better than even chance of being gone. So if you think 3 mystery players are coming in, whom do you think is leaving to make room (since the ones I posted were given sucker's odds)?

 

[gbservis]

In light of the most recent game, I'd be quite happy with the following stuff happing the first day of the summer window:

1. Pirlo retires
2. Mata is sold for max GAM
3. Fuchs is signed (I would bet as a DP, but prefer TAM/GAM)
4. Rubio Rubin is signed
5. Mix is sold for GAM profit (no idea what amount)
6. TMac is traded for TAM and/or GAM
7. Mystery MF player is signed
8. Camargo loan is terminated
9. Mystery Def is signed
10. Mystery MF/F is signed

Saw on MLS article them mention Conor OBrian wants to come back to MLS and is interested in NYC/RB. I don't know anything about him other than he's a local boy that plays DMid. Being American is good for the roster as is a true DMid, but only if the price is right and he's actually good.

No other thoughts on players. Open to whatever works.

This is at least the 2nd time I've seen the Mix for GAM suggestion, is that even possible at this point? If I understand correctly we used our once a year buy out on him, MLS maintained ownership of him rather than paying him out and loaned him to offset some of the contract cost. At this point post buy out are we sure if he's sold the GAM comes to us? I'm sure NYCFC is footing the contract costs but technically we "cut" him.

If GAM is in play it will be interesting to see how they calculate costs. In normal circumstances you only get GAM on the profit when compared to the accusation costs. We got Mix on a free so there was no cost but we've essentially incurred a giant sunk cost in the portion of his $750k salary we've been paying. The spirit of GAM is to reward teams that develop talent and then turn a profit by selling a player for more than they paid for them. There's no way of spinning the Mix transaction as one that brought in money for the league/team so why would they give us GAM?

Seems beyond a long shot to think that under any circumstances the league would award us GAM for any Mix transaction at this point.

 

[Ulrich]

This is at least the 2nd time I've seen the Mix for GAM suggestion, is that even possible at this point? If I understand correctly we used our once a year buy out on him, MLS maintained ownership of him rather than paying him out and loaned him to offset some of the contract cost. At this point post buy out are we sure if he's sold the GAM comes to us? I'm sure NYCFC is footing the contract costs but technically we "cut" him.

If GAM is in play it will be interesting to see how they calculate costs. In normal circumstances you only get GAM on the profit when compared to the accusation costs. We got Mix on a free so there was no cost but we've essentially incurred a giant sunk cost in the portion of his $750k salary we've been paying. The spirit of GAM is to reward teams that develop talent and then turn a profit by selling a player for more than they paid for them. There's no way of spinning the Mix transaction as one that brought in money for the league/team so why would they give us GAM?

Seems beyond a long shot to think that under any circumstances the league would award of GAM for any Mix transaction at this point.

if the team is still paying his salary, it's fair to assume we'd get any part of a transfer. The buyout is just a technical way/rule to get him from counting against the cap

 

[gbservis]

if the team is still paying his salary, it's fair to assume we'd get any part of a transfer. The buyout is just a technical way/rule to get him from counting against the cap

Still doesn't explain if the spirit of the GAM rule is to reward teams for making profits off of transactions how this could be viewed as profitable at this point. I'd be happy to be wrong on this but it seems beyond wishful.

 

[Ulrich]

Still doesn't explain if the spirit of the GAM rule is to reward teams for making profits off of transactions how this could be viewed as profitable at this point. I'd be happy to be wrong on this but it seems beyond wishful.

His salary isn't paid by the league, so the league isn't losing any money that'd be made up for with the sale. CFG is losing money. Therefore, the MLS proportioned profits *should* be in effect.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?
If a transaction occurs in MLS without letting the fans ever know the details, is it worth discussing?

 

[sbrylski]

This is at least the 2nd time I've seen the Mix for GAM suggestion, is that even possible at this point? If I understand correctly we used our once a year buy out on him, MLS maintained ownership of him rather than paying him out and loaned him to offset some of the contract cost. At this point post buy out are we sure if he's sold the GAM comes to us? I'm sure NYCFC is footing the contract costs but technically we "cut" him.

If GAM is in play it will be interesting to see how they calculate costs. In normal circumstances you only get GAM on the profit when compared to the accusation costs. We got Mix on a free so there was no cost but we've essentially incurred a giant sunk cost in the portion of his $750k salary we've been paying. The spirit of GAM is to reward teams that develop talent and then turn a profit by selling a player for more than they paid for them. There's no way of spinning the Mix transaction as one that brought in money for the league/team so why would they give us GAM?

Seems beyond a long shot to think that under any circumstances the league would award us GAM for any Mix transaction at this point.

Did we buy him out? I thought we just straight loaned him ourselves, but I could be mis-remembering.

 

[Ulrich]

Did we buy him out? I thought we just straight loaned him ourselves, but I could be mis-remembering.

Mena is on loan but listed on our roster. Mix is on loan and yet he isn't listed. Either somebody made an IT mistake, or we bought him out.

 

[SoupInNYC]

Mena is on loan but listed on our roster. Mix is on loan and yet he isn't listed. Either somebody made an IT mistake, or we bought him out.

We bought him out. I do remember a press release noting that before he was loaned.

On the other hand, he is listed on the MLS Salaries release under NYCFC.

I could see this going either way, but definitely won't bank on us being able to get GAM/TAM.