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Glad to see this realization spreading across the league. Hopefully there’s a tipping point soon and some kind of effort is made to address the cheating that is Red Bull’s “style of play”, but I won’t hold my breath. Even their own fans admit the players are “a bunch of instigators” (saw that on Reddit somewhere)
 
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Glad to see this realization spreading across the league. Hopefully there’s a tipping point soon and some kind of effort is made to address the cheating that is Red Bull’s “style of play”, but I won’t hold my breath. Even their own fans admit the players are “a bunch of instigators” (saw that on Reddit somewhere)
You're reading the Cincinnati comments with a filter on. They're not calling out the Red Bulls as some sort of special case. Cincinnati thinks they are uniquely mistreated all the time.

"I'm angry. I'm angry at the result. I'm angry at the way the game was officiated and it's the same stuff every time," Acosta said via the interpreter. "It feels like it's against us"

So yea, yesterday they whined about refs and being fouled by the Red Bulls, because they played the Red Bulls, but they're really just whining about refs not treating Cincinnati fairly generally. This week the Red Bulls, next week Vancouver.

It's a confirmation bias party.

I do think there is something to the idea that teams who foul regularly have a bit of an advantage because refs just won't call every foul and do not hand out enough persistent yellows. The Red Bulls do lead the league in fouls committed this year by a hefty margin.

Just for giggles, here is where NYCFC has ranked in fouls committed in MLS over the last few years.

2019 1st
2020 1st
2021 3rd
2022 9th

Basically from Domé's first full season through last year we have been foul machines, and the fans of other teams in the now defunct MLS comment sections and Reddit and elsewhere definitely noticed. Everything this board is saying about the Red Bulls has been a unending topic of complaint about NYCFC since 2019. I don't know why we are lower down the foul table this year. But overall, when we lose the ball we aggressively try to win it back immediately and regularly generate body contact as part of that. You can't win the ball back regularly without contact, some legal some not. Torrent brought that style over from Man City It's been driving MLS fans crazy that we got away with it so much since 2019. How does everyone on this board not know this? We have consistently swarmed opposing players as soon as we lose the ball and get the ball back and sometimes when we do that they fall down and sometimes that's called a foul and sometimes it is not and everyone else in the league has whined about it. I cannot be the only one who noticed we play this way and saw the complaints. Did people really not notice how we have played and not realize how were at the top of the league in committing fouls for 3 years? And now we've just flipped the script to the Red Bulls and it's a major injustice?

The main difference between our style of play and the Red Bulls is in other aspects, including how we play when we have the ball and even how and when we press. I agree we have a much more attractive style of play. But both teams press and make contact and commit fouls all the time. And FWIW, from 2019-2021, NYCFC was given 1 Yellow for every 6.56 fouls committed. This year, the Red Bulls are getting 1 Yellow for every 5.70 fouls committed. They're not really getting away with it compared to us from 2019-21. And just so nobody thinks I'm hiding anything, this year we're getting a Yellow for every 5.61 fouls committed so if you want to make an issue of that go ahead I guess. Maybe PRO made a point of increasing persistent yellows in 2022 despite what everyone assumes.
 
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You're reading the Cincinnati comments with a filter on. They're not calling out the Red Bulls as some sort of special case. Cincinnati thinks they are uniquely mistreated all the time.

"I'm angry. I'm angry at the result. I'm angry at the way the game was officiated and it's the same stuff every time," Acosta said via the interpreter. "It feels like it's against us"

So yea, yesterday they whined about refs and being fouled by the Red Bulls, because they played the Red Bulls, but they're really just whining about refs not treating Cincinnati fairly generally. This week the Red Bulls, next week Vancouver.

It's a confirmation bias party.

I do think there is something to the idea that teams who foul regularly have a bit of an advantage because refs just won't call every foul and do not hand out enough persistent yellows. The Red Bulls do lead the league in fouls committed this year by a hefty margin.

Just for giggles, here is where NYCFC has ranked in fouls committed in MLS over the last few years.

2019 1st
2020 1st
2021 3rd
2022 9th

Basically from Domé's first full season through last year we have been foul machines, and the fans of other teams in the now defunct MLS comment sections and Reddit and elsewhere definitely noticed. Everything this board is saying about the Red Bulls has been a unending topic of complaint about NYCFC since 2019. I don't know why we are lower down the foul table this year. But overall, when we lose the ball we aggressively try to win it back immediately and regularly generate body contact as part of that. You can't win the ball back regularly without contact, some legal some not. Torrent brought that style over from Man City It's been driving MLS fans crazy that we got away with it so much since 2019. How does everyone on this board not know this? We have consistently swarmed opposing players as soon as we lose the ball and get the ball back and sometimes when we do that they fall down and sometimes that's called a foul and sometimes it is not and everyone else in the league has whined about it. I cannot be the only one who noticed we play this way and saw the complaints. Did people really not notice how we have played and not realize how were at the top of the league in committing fouls for 3 years? And now we've just flipped the script to the Red Bulls and it's a major injustice?

The main difference between our style of play and the Red Bulls is in other aspects, including how we play when we have the ball and even how and when we press. I agree we have a much more attractive style of play. But both teams press and make contact and commit fouls all the time. And FWIW, from 2019-2021, NYCFC was given 1 Yellow for every 6.56 fouls committed. This year, the Red Bulls are getting 1 Yellow for every 5.70 fouls committed. They're not really getting away with it compared to us from 2019-21. And just so nobody thinks I'm hiding anything, this year we're getting a Yellow for every 5.61 fouls committed so if you want to make an issue of that go ahead I guess. Maybe PRO made a point of increasing persistent yellows in 2022 despite what everyone assumes.
Fair enough and I appreciate the #datasmackdown. Red Bull is #1 in fouls so far this year and was #2 last year, but we were #3 last year. I dug further myself, 2020 was a weird covid year and neither team were in the top 5, but in 2019 and 2018 we were #1 and #2 respectively while Red Bull was #10 both years.

I still maintain that Red Bull plays aggressive, borderline reckless soccer whose primary goal is to bully and disrupt the opposition into mistakes on the ball, then pounce on the loose ball and boot it upfield quickly on a counter. Their ideal opponent is one who plays out of the back and tries to pass their way through the midfield with lots of touches (sound familiar?). Worst case for them is an opponent who bunkers, which demands the creative, technical, patient approach that they lack.

I generally don't complain about refs, don't believe in conspiracies or agendas, and subscribe to the "it all evens out" vibe. Nevertheless, this season, I'm feeling like Red Bull is purposely instigating and pushing the envelope from minute 1 as a tactic, and it's working because they have been getting away with shit because refs don't want to be whistling every damn play and putting the spotlight on themselves like that if they can avoid it.
 
You're reading the Cincinnati comments with a filter on. They're not calling out the Red Bulls as some sort of special case. Cincinnati thinks they are uniquely mistreated all the time.

"I'm angry. I'm angry at the result. I'm angry at the way the game was officiated and it's the same stuff every time," Acosta said via the interpreter. "It feels like it's against us"

So yea, yesterday they whined about refs and being fouled by the Red Bulls, because they played the Red Bulls, but they're really just whining about refs not treating Cincinnati fairly generally. This week the Red Bulls, next week Vancouver.

It's a confirmation bias party.

I do think there is something to the idea that teams who foul regularly have a bit of an advantage because refs just won't call every foul and do not hand out enough persistent yellows. The Red Bulls do lead the league in fouls committed this year by a hefty margin.

Just for giggles, here is where NYCFC has ranked in fouls committed in MLS over the last few years.

2019 1st
2020 1st
2021 3rd
2022 9th

Basically from Domé's first full season through last year we have been foul machines, and the fans of other teams in the now defunct MLS comment sections and Reddit and elsewhere definitely noticed. Everything this board is saying about the Red Bulls has been a unending topic of complaint about NYCFC since 2019. I don't know why we are lower down the foul table this year. But overall, when we lose the ball we aggressively try to win it back immediately and regularly generate body contact as part of that. You can't win the ball back regularly without contact, some legal some not. Torrent brought that style over from Man City It's been driving MLS fans crazy that we got away with it so much since 2019. How does everyone on this board not know this? We have consistently swarmed opposing players as soon as we lose the ball and get the ball back and sometimes when we do that they fall down and sometimes that's called a foul and sometimes it is not and everyone else in the league has whined about it. I cannot be the only one who noticed we play this way and saw the complaints. Did people really not notice how we have played and not realize how were at the top of the league in committing fouls for 3 years? And now we've just flipped the script to the Red Bulls and it's a major injustice?

The main difference between our style of play and the Red Bulls is in other aspects, including how we play when we have the ball and even how and when we press. I agree we have a much more attractive style of play. But both teams press and make contact and commit fouls all the time. And FWIW, from 2019-2021, NYCFC was given 1 Yellow for every 6.56 fouls committed. This year, the Red Bulls are getting 1 Yellow for every 5.70 fouls committed. They're not really getting away with it compared to us from 2019-21. And just so nobody thinks I'm hiding anything, this year we're getting a Yellow for every 5.61 fouls committed so if you want to make an issue of that go ahead I guess. Maybe PRO made a point of increasing persistent yellows in 2022 despite what everyone assumes.
Thank you for this. I’ve been thinking this alot recently with all of the Red Bull griping but didn’t know how to word it or have the data retrieval skills. I’m pretty sure our main turnover tactic has been if we lose the ball, press immediately to retrieve it or cause a foul/break up the play. Makes a lot of sense because of the attack mindset and pushing numbers forward. If the play is stopped then you can usually get your teammates back into position for defense. Also Taty is what Ring was for this team, a yellow card accumulator. They are both breaking up the play for the defense, just in different portions of the field
 
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san jose beating up on the galaxy. great to see.

jovelic is a baller
 
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On the MLSToday podcast they discussed RBNJ's overly "physical" play and the growing disgruntlement about it among other teams around the league. They pointed out that not only is it Struber's style but that it goes back for years before Struber. They quoted Jesse Marsch during his time there: "If we're not leading the league in yellow cards we're doing something wrong."

So the narrative is real and it is based on data as pointed out above. Let's see if refs continue to allow it. Starting tomorrow.
 
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Just really enjoying the parity in this league tonight. You can have some really complete teams like Seattle still lose 1-0 to Chicago which is a dumpster fire. I went to check the standings to see the supporters shield race and it really is incredible how much the top 5 or 6ish teams are in the hunt. And that realistically top 10 could potentially win it with some upsets. Definitely a more entertaining over all product because of it imo. I know the mlssoccer.com pundits say “it’s mls so anything can happen” really anything can happen because of the parity and I just felt like writing an appreciation post for that reason.
 
New England couldn't do us a favor and hold on after going ahead in Philly. Union win 2-1 so we can't take first with a win in the derby.
Was watching the game, NE up 1-0 then Philly just took over. NE had some good chances late but couldn’t put them away. Blake made some great saves. Second Union goal was a PK, their CB just barrels overs an attacker without the ball. No discipline causing errors.

xG was 1.4 - 1.3 so if you remove the PK (0.8), NE played better.
 
Just really enjoying the parity in this league tonight. You can have some really complete teams like Seattle still lose 1-0 to Chicago which is a dumpster fire. I went to check the standings to see the supporters shield race and it really is incredible how much the top 5 or 6ish teams are in the hunt. And that realistically top 10 could potentially win it with some upsets. Definitely a more entertaining over all product because of it imo. I know the mlssoccer.com pundits say “it’s mls so anything can happen” really anything can happen because of the parity and I just felt like writing an appreciation post for that reason.
I very much agree with your sentiments about MLS.
I also have a very hard time believing anyone but LAFC, Austin, Philly and NYCFC have a real chance at the Shield, with Red Bulls and maybe Montreal being semi-possible longshots. But really just the top 4.
 
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Just really enjoying the parity in this league tonight. You can have some really complete teams like Seattle still lose 1-0 to Chicago which is a dumpster fire. I went to check the standings to see the supporters shield race and it really is incredible how much the top 5 or 6ish teams are in the hunt. And that realistically top 10 could potentially win it with some upsets. Definitely a more entertaining over all product because of it imo. I know the mlssoccer.com pundits say “it’s mls so anything can happen” really anything can happen because of the parity and I just felt like writing an appreciation post for that reason.
Chicago has some young talent. They’re still not a good team, but they’ll continue to improve over the course of the season and not be quite as easy of an out as earlier.
 
is Austin the real deal? i really thought they would drop off a bit. i only seen one full game of theirs and i feel like LAFC should be better.
 
is Austin the real deal? i really thought they would drop off a bit. i only seen one full game of theirs and i feel like LAFC should be better.
I haven't seen Austin play much myself. But I don't think we should sleep on them any longer. They had a fast start against weak teams, but right now they have played one of the toughest schedules in the league. They're with the leaders in Goal Differential as well.
OTOH, their GD exceeds their xGD by almost 20 goals, pretty evenly divided by goals scored and conceded. They're good, but due for some regression, and the 42 points they banked ain't going away.

LAFC has the highest PPG in the league and you think they should be doing better?
 
I haven't seen Austin play much myself. But I don't think we should sleep on them any longer. They had a fast start against weak teams, but right now they have played one of the toughest schedules in the league. They're with the leaders in Goal Differential as well.
OTOH, their GD exceeds their xGD by almost 20 goals, pretty evenly divided by goals scored and conceded. They're good, but due for some regression, and the 42 points they banked ain't going away.

LAFC has the highest PPG in the league and you think they should be doing better?

i expected them to be above Austin at least, but just now i saw they have two games in hand., im sure they will catch up then.