New England - Postmatch
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Ref: "That's a red card."
VAR Official: "come look at replay, I don't think so."
Ref: "nah I'm good."
This is literally how VAR works today and is fucking bullshit. Oh, and by the way, if the ref gives him a yellow, even if VAR official says it's a red, it doesn't matter because yellows are not reviewable.
But was there really a "clear and obvious error?"
Sure you can argue that was a soft red, and you've seen it given as a yellow. But you've also seen it given as a red. He went studs up, straight legged.
Didn’t make contact. His foot slid right past the NE player’s foot/leg. He didn’t make contact with either leg. The guy went down because his foot was caught under Harrison - if anything, I’m surprised Harrison wasn’t hurt and singing high notes.
Harrison's reaction told me he knew he made a mistake.
As soon as he goes in, he immediately reaches back to apologize, then when the red was shown it almost looked like he was expecting it.
I don't think it's a red, but it did look like Jack thought it was a red.
Also, how this referee doesn't go take another look is beyond puzzling. Why is VAR there if it's not going to be used?
Here's the rule:
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
The fact that he missed and didn't break the guy's leg in half has no bearing on the call as he clearly endangered the safety of the other player. Red card every day of the week, even if it's not always called.
Source - Law 12, Fouls and Misconduct, page 64:
https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf
So how exactly did that apply to the the player that made contact with Johnson's Head?
A stat recap:
NYCFC had 7 fouls: 1R, 2Y, 4 regular
New England had 16 fouls: 3Y, 13 regular
That’s just not evenly applying discipline. It completely seemed like the NE players got a lot of warnings even when forearms were applied to the back of TMac (twice) on headers and Villa was repeatedly mugged.
NYCFC had 7 fouls: 1R, 2Y, 4 regular
New England had 16 fouls: 3Y, 13 regular
That’s just not evenly applying discipline. It completely seemed like the NE players got a lot of warnings even when forearms were applied to the back of TMac (twice) on headers and Villa was repeatedly mugged.
No we didn’t. We almost got lucky once or twice.
We looked utterly inept, as we always do without our full complement of players.
Why? Because our roster is hamstrung by shit signings and then it’s crippled by poor selection.
Screw it. I’m over it. Without serious changes to our approach, we won’t win dick in the playoffs.
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It wasn’t definitely not a red. But a more experienced ref probably gives a yellow there, so as not to kill an important game.
We had a dude reffing his 4th MLS match ever. Yeah, fuck PRO.
But this is also correct. Multiple nasty fouls and consistent, persistent infringement aren’t a thing against NYC. It’s like everyone we play gets the ManU treatment.
I saw no excessive force at all. Especially considering that Harrison is probably 50 pounds lighter than the guy he hit. Complete joke of a red card. New England was embellishing their fouls all day long.
I’ve seen the others mentioned play and they’re crap, so this is process of elimination after 10min of liking what I saw. I also commented during the preseason during the first match that Hererra played that he was a better third-piece if the midfield than Pirlo - it took 8-10 games before Vieira came to the same realization.
I didn't get to see much of the game, but I did just happen to be watching when the foul occurred and the card was awarded, and I thought it was a red card - both watching live and after the replay. Maybe that foul isn't always a red, but I think it is more often than not. And it was a stupid, risky challenge from Jack, who seemed frustrated that he had lost the ball on a heavy touch. That said, we might be able to place some blame on the turf. On grass, I think his slide goes farther and faster, and he might get to the ball in time. On turf, his slide checked up considerably, and he was there late, getting the leg and not the ball.
Except that he didn’t get the leg. In real time and the replay. The other guy went down not from jack’s feet sliding through but because jack’s nuts slammed into the guy’s leg.
My ultimate question after these past 8 matches is...
Is this the real NYCFC, or just a rut?
Aside from a few studs on the squad, are we really fit to win a bye? Let alone an MLS Cup?
Is this the real NYCFC, or just a rut?
Aside from a few studs on the squad, are we really fit to win a bye? Let alone an MLS Cup?
I would argue that we never put in our best XI or set the best bench.
We need someone who can make a play and score a goal when we need one. Lewis can do that.
We had guys out for a long time and are only just getting them back. We need these two games to be where we put the polish back on the apple. That's one reason Jack's red is so disappointing. We spent the entire 90 minutes chasing the game instead of fine tuning.
I think our bench, both in terms of personnel and use of personnel, is way more debatable than our starting XI. Both for this match and in general. I think most people agree with PV that our best XI is: Johnson, Struna, Chanot, Callens, Mata, Yangel, Maxi, Ring, Jack, Villa, Wallace. And it is a very strong XI for this league, maybe the strongest or 2nd strongest. But our bench isn't great, and the fact that PV sees TMac, Shelton and Pirlo as first offensive options off the bench is frustrating.
Seems like its an unpopular opinion here but that was another part of the problem... he started out one footed but finished going in 2 footed and opened his legs up, his legs then got wrapped around the player. That's a red card slide. Add to that that his studs were up. It was one of those grey area fouls were the rulebook says its a red, but sometimes the ref wont call it. I personally had no issue with the call, it was a silly reckless tackle on jacks part and he should have known better.
ETA: also a lot of people are saying that it wasnt intentional so it shouldnt be a red. It doesn't always have to be intentional for it to be a red card challenge. Could it have been a yellow, sure. But red wasnt a bad call. If it happened to one of our guys and they didnt give a red id be livid.
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