Queensboro FC

[413Blue]

No it isn't



No it won't

Never before has one article from something called midfieldpress.com inspired such lusty fanfiction. I knew some people felt a bit disenchanted, but wow. You'd think the stadium had already been built.

Yes it is, and yes it will. You quoted a post that used terms "shaping up to be" and "will make"
If this story comes true, and there certainly is enough smoke to make this discussion worthwhile, and another club has a stadium in the city and we don't, than it will be a disaster for us (I use the term "us" loosely, because many of us would jump ship)
Obviously, there is a long way to go, but this is more than just an article. This is 6 years of no public progress on a stadium.

 

[ManhattanValley]

Yes it is, and yes it will. You quoted a post that used terms "shaping up to be" and "will make"
If this story comes true, and there certainly is enough smoke to make this discussion worthwhile, and another club has a stadium in the city and we don't, than it will be a disaster for us (I use the term "us" loosely, because many of us would jump ship)
Obviously, there is a long way to go, but this is more than just an article. This is 6 years of no public progress on a stadium.

If anyone has any good evidence that this is indeed shaping up to be an epic embarrassment for CFG then please send it my way. I couldn't see any in this thread beyond endless rewrites of one local blogpost, some amateur Microsoft Paint logo mockups and David Villa fanfiction.

I would write a better counterargument but you were kind enough to do it yourself, so I just bolded it in your original post.

 

[adam]

If anyone has any good evidence that this is indeed shaping up to be an epic embarrassment for CFG then please send it my way. I couldn't see any in this thread beyond endless rewrites of one local blogpost, some amateur Microsoft Paint logo mockups and David Villa fanfiction.

I would write a better counterargument but you were kind enough to do it yourself, so I just bolded it in your original post.

Why so negative this morning buddy? I’m a little lazy this morning after being bored enough to do a coaches power rankings last night. But let’s go through some of the evidence off the top of my head.

1. We know only a stadium can be built in WPW.
2. Melinda Katz quotes from State of the Borough.
3. Villa publicly meeting with Moya & Katz over the last couple years.
4. USL’s own attorney!! Has trademarked Queensboro FC.
5. USL is not denying the rumors.
6. USL is working on a very similar project in Chicago (another major city MLS screwed up in).
7. The MidfieldPress article that you are claiming is BS without any proof.
8. Neil DeMause (Field of Schemes) said he’s writing an article on this as well. You have to at least respect his journalistic integrity.

There’s a TON of smoke right now. MUCH more smoke than there ever was over an NYCFC stadium. And that’s the disaster in the making. No one has definitive proof yet, it we did the disaster happened already and it’s game over for NYCFC. But it’s sure shaping up like Villa and USL could have a stadium first in a location NYCFC passed up.

And then the questions come, like why did they pass it up? As a native Queensian, I’m a bit insulted if they did. As a NYCFC founding season ticket holder I feel like a sucker if they could have had a stadium half built already and chose not to.

Maybe this is the disaster Dome mentioned in Spanish?

 

[ManhattanValley]

Why so negative this morning buddy? I’m a little lazy this morning after being bored enough to do a coaches power rankings last night. But let’s go through some of the evidence off the top of my head.

1. We know only a stadium can be built in WPW.
2. Melinda Katz quotes from State of the Borough.
3. Villa publicly meeting with Moya & Katz over the last couple years.
4. USL’s own attorney!! Has trademarked Queensboro FC.
5. USL is not denying the rumors.
6. USL is working on a very similar project in Chicago (another major city MLS screwed up in).
7. The MidfieldPress article that you are claiming is BS without any proof.
8. Neil DeMause (Field of Schemes) said he’s writing an article on this as well. You have to at least respect his journalistic integrity.

There’s a TON of smoke right now. MUCH more smoke than there ever was over an NYCFC stadium. And that’s the disaster in the making. No one has definitive proof yet, it we did the disaster happened already and it’s game over for NYCFC. But it’s sure shaping up like Villa and USL could have a stadium first in a location NYCFC passed up.

And then the questions come, like why did they pass it up? As a native Queensian, I’m a bit insulted if they did. As a NYCFC founding season ticket holder I feel like a sucker if they could have had a stadium half built already and chose not to.

Maybe this is the disaster Dome mentioned in Spanish?

On the contrary, I'm the positive one! While people on this thread are taking time out from their Dome voodoo dolls to eagerly predict CFG's demise at the hands of the QFC revolution, I'm here to say that it's worth keeping the faith with (remember these guys?) NYCFC, in the absence of anything concrete in any direction. Now's not the time for false prophets....

Also, thanks for the list but I genuinely thought this thread was built on more. If the existence of local blog posts, Neil deMause clippings, league non-denials, Chicago stadium speculation and meetings with Melinda Katz were enough to secure a stadium, NYCFC would have about eight stadiums by now.

 

[Ulrich]

Amazing how a wanna-be voice of reason demands evidence of the contrary when they themselves cannot give one ounce of evidence to support keeping the faith, and that’s after four years of disappointment, silence, and self-inflicted fcked-up roll-outs. The VoR is really just a master of the sleight of hand and distraction.

 

[sundance]

Maybe this is the disaster Dome mentioned in Spanish?

Nah, he was calling Araos a disaster. Which, fine, probably fair. But nothing to do with the team.

. . . cannot give one ounce of evidence to support keeping the faith, and that’s after four years of disappointment, silence, and self-inflicted fcked-up roll-outs.

You know that being here is a choice, right? There are lots of other things you can do with your time if this isn’t fun for you.

 

[adam]

Nah, he was calling Araos a disaster. Which, fine, probably fair. But nothing to do with the team.

That was a joke

 

[Korker]

Anyone else having a serious case of Déjà vu? This all seems very familiar.....almost as if this happened back in 2015.....

 

[Christopher Jee]

You know that being here is a choice, right? There are lots of other things you can do with your time if this isn’t fun for you.

I get this. Go support another club. That's what the free market and perfect competition is all about right? The irony is that this is exactly what is being discussed in this thread yet that is in itself what is being criticized by ManhattanValley and perhaps others.

Do you think it's valid as a fan to try and push the club to improve?

Given the transaction costs to changing club affiliations, finding a new fan community, etc., not to mention the very real barriers (single entity, lack of promotion and relegation) to perfect competition or a truly free market of soccer clubs, that seems like the only real option. Yet pushing the club to change through complaint, organization of complaint and some kind of proposal would probably get pushback from some fans too.

I don't think I need to illustrate the barriers to giving up fandom of the sport.

So in lieu of anything else constructive, what else would the "Voice of Reason" set suggest? Sit down, shut up and take whatever the club serves up?

 

[adam]

So in lieu of anything else constructive, what else would the "Voice of Reason" set suggest? Sit down, shut up and take whatever the club serves up?

Great post.

However, I think it’s more bend over, shut up and take whatever the club serves up. But to each their own...

 

[Ulrich]

You know that being here is a choice, right? There are lots of other things you can do with your time if this isn’t fun for you.

Have no fear, I have an extremely fulfilling life that’s both fun and full of learning experiences. Calling out voice of reason hypocrisy is simply community service.

 

[ManhattanValley]

So in lieu of anything else constructive, what else would the "Voice of Reason" set suggest? Sit down, shut up and take whatever the club serves up?

At the bare minimum I would hope that people's prior experience of what is and what isn't meaningful stadium chatter would inform their thinking when it comes to getting giddy over a new stadium/soccer team/monorail. There's absolutely nothing to suggest a QFC project is anywhere near close to being relevant, but you wouldn't know it from reading this thread.

All of which is perfectly fine if people are just speculating about a Queens-based hobby one day. But it's another thing to use it as a phony weapon to bash NYCFC with. No one likes our current stadium situation, but forgive me for not using another, smaller, less visible mirage to justify complaints about my thirst.

Not that we have a choice, but it's foolish enough for us to pin our hopes on one stadium folly within the five boroughs - I'm just surprised there are apparently people with the appetite for two.

 

[FredMertz]

I'm here to say that it's worth keeping the faith with (remember these guys?) NYCFC, in the absence of anything concrete in any direction.

It has to be "faith" because they've given us nothing since the day they signed David Villa to earn anything more than evidence-less devotion. The front office turnover has been ridiculous (in all departments, not just the top man), they appear reticent to spend first-class money on players or facilities, the customer service has done nothing but get worse, the communications remain largely tone deaf and they literally appear to be without a general plan to move forward.

The goalposts keep moving and no progress is made.

As others have written, the evidence pointing to Villa coming back here after a year in Japan to continue building his DV7 Academy and start building a USL team in Queens is overwhelming. I'm not sure what you're not seeing.

 

[FredMertz]

There's absolutely nothing to suggest a QFC project is anywhere near close to being relevant, but you wouldn't know it from reading this thread.

How is a USL lawyer registering trademarks not material?

Also, what do you think "relevant" means?

 

[Christopher Jee]

At the bare minimum I would hope that people's prior experience of what is and what isn't meaningful stadium chatter would inform their thinking when it comes to getting giddy over a new stadium/soccer team/monorail. There's absolutely nothing to suggest a QFC project is anywhere near close to being relevant, but you wouldn't know it from reading this thread.

Thanks for the civil response!

An anonymous source of mine (let's call them JBKert in tribute to the great quoter of anonymous sources Kjbert ) has an anonymous source that says this is definitely in the works. Can't say whether it's just a team proposal or also a stadium proposal and can't say whether it competes with NYCFC or is an affiliate. No real news given that USL is linked to the intellectual property claiming activity, but is a slight signal of confirmation of some of the details shared. I trust this person and I trust their source.

Forgive me for not using another, smaller, less visible mirage to justify complaints about my thirst.

Not that we have a choice, but it's foolish enough for us to pin our hopes on one stadium folly within the five boroughs - I'm just surprised there are apparently people with the appetite for two.

No one's asking you to ask for forgiveness for not believing in these things. I'd say that rather it seems that you would have those who are giving credence to these rumors by discussing them ask forgiveness by you, based on the critical nature of your posts. My $0.02.

And surely pinning one's hopes on two independent stadium bids increases the chances of having one's hopes answered, assuming that the act of hoping doesn't negatively impact either bid. That's just probability.

 

[Christopher Jee]

Great post.

However, I think it’s more bend over, shut up and take whatever the club serves up. But to each their own...

Ah who said there was a lack of choice in a closed market. You can bend over, sit down or take it standing!

 

[Korker]

Thanks for the civil response!

An anonymous source of mine (let's call them JBKert in tribute to the great quoter of anonymous sources Kjbert ) has an anonymous source that says this is definitely in the works. Can't say whether it's just a team proposal or also a stadium proposal and can't say whether it competes with NYCFC or is an affiliate. No real news given that USL is linked to the intellectual property claiming activity, but is a slight signal of confirmation of some of the details shared. I trust this person and I trust their source.


No one's asking you to ask for forgiveness for not believing in these things. I'd say that rather it seems that you would have those who are giving credence to these rumors by discussing them ask forgiveness by you, based on the critical nature of your posts. My $0.02.

And surely pinning one's hopes on two independent stadium bids increases the chances of having one's hopes answered, assuming that the act of hoping doesn't negatively impact either bid. That's just probability.

FWIW, I was a huge skeptic of this project as evidence on previous posts in this thread. Spoke with a source as well (not sure if the same or not) and now 100% on board with this. Didn't get any news as far as stadium plans or anything, but every single thing this person has told me has turned out to be true in regards to other ventures, so I'm riding with it.

 

[ManhattanValley]

It has to be "faith" because they've given us nothing since the day they signed David Villa to earn anything more than evidence-less devotion. The front office turnover has been ridiculous (in all departments, not just the top man), they appear reticent to spend first-class money on players or facilities, the customer service has done nothing but get worse, the communications remain largely tone deaf and they literally appear to be without a general plan to move forward.

The goalposts keep moving and no progress is made.

As others have written, the evidence pointing to Villa coming back here after a year in Japan to continue building his DV7 Academy and start building a USL team in Queens is overwhelming. I'm not sure what you're not seeing.

Evidence so "overwhelming" it doesn't include a single direct quote from Villa himself, a single official document, a single city press release, or a single club statement (BTW there are plenty of the latter which suggest Villa will soon be back in the NYCFC fold....but anyway)

Re: your first paragraph. I've said so before, but my customer service experience with NYCFC has been nothing but first class - I know that's not been the case for everyone. I'm just not sure what the relevance of that is here - unless of course, you're one of those disgruntled/wronged forum users who's looking for any excuse to slam the club, especially when they're losing. That's your prerogative, but I think you can do better than using an imaginary QFC as an example of how things could maybe be better.

 

[ManhattanValley]

How is a USL lawyer registering trademarks not material?

Also, what do you think "relevant" means?

A trademark means very little in my book. Anyone can trademark anything, and besides, I don't support trademarks, I support football teams. You're obviously welcome to go differently on that one.

We don't need to split hairs on what "relevant" means, but I would expect any team that could seriously humiliate NYCFC on its own turf (as people are confidently predicting) to have at the bare minimum:

• An agreement for a SSS site within the five boroughs, at a roughly 15,000 capacity
• A wealthy ownership group...
• ...with proven funding streams
• A basic front office structure
• A basic scouting network
• A confirmed place in an established soccer league
• A start date within five years
• A grassroots fan movement prepared to back the team

Which of these does QFC have? Which of these does NYCFC have? Who's likely to embarrass who here?

 

[adam]

A trademark means very little in my book. Anyone can trademark anything, and besides, I don't support trademarks, I support football teams. You're obviously welcome to go differently on that one.

We don't need to split hairs on what "relevant" means, but I would expect any team that could seriously humiliate NYCFC on its own turf (as people are confidently predicting) to have at the bare minimum:

• An agreement for a SSS site within the five boroughs, at a roughly 15,000 capacity
• A wealthy ownership group...
• ...with proven funding streams
• A basic front office structure
• A basic scouting network
• A confirmed place in an established soccer league
• A start date within five years
• A grassroots fan movement prepared to back the team

Which of these does QFC have? Which of these does NYCFC have? Who's likely to embarrass who here?

Ok, I’ll play:

• An agreement for a SSS site within the five boroughs, at a roughly 15,000 capacity

Those are the rumors regarding Willets Point West (confirmed by 2 seperate people with insider sources in this thread)

• A wealthy ownership group...
• ...with proven funding streams

Does Villa and maybe the Wilpons count?

• A basic front office structure

We’re waiting on that one. But sounds like a basic necessity if the announce the team.

• A basic scouting network

Does DV7 Accademies count as scouting, or you want to be searching out pro leagues around the world.

• A confirmed place in an established soccer league

USL is pretty strong with its new 3 tier system, no salary cap, and ESPN+ deal.

• A start date within five years

Everything is pointing to 2020, but in a temporary (like really temporary) venue.

• A grassroots fan movement prepared to back the team

You’re looking at it bud


Which of these does NYCFC have?

They don’t have #1, that’s for sure.