Red Bulls - Postmatch
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From the prematch thread.
Only thing I will write is that Moss Brothers were acting like dicks and douches during the entire game and never stopped.
After the game, I finally get something to eat in the club and leave what feels like 30 minutes later. I get off the elevator and I see Vieira yelling at the Moss Brothers as they leave saying, “If you were men you’d say it to my face.” His wife and one of our comms people try to calm his down. He then takes photos with some fans. I say to him, “They’re not men. They’re boys. And they’re brain surgeons and they have something wrong with their head. See you in LA.” He said, “See you there” as he looked off trying to spot them.
Not a good day in the office. Those guys are dicks but a top flight manager just walks away from that.
Thank goodness the people the Moss Bros get tickets from at Pitchside didn’t renew for this season.
I was right. You can’t ask your players to be intensive if you are not...
Only thing I will write is that Moss Brothers were acting like dicks and douches during the entire game and never stopped.
After the game, I finally get something to eat in the club and leave what feels like 30 minutes later. I get off the elevator and I see Vieira yelling at the Moss Brothers as they leave saying, “If you were men you’d say it to my face.” His wife and one of our comms people try to calm his down. He then takes photos with some fans. I say to him, “They’re not men. They’re boys. And they’re brain surgeons and they have something wrong with their head. See you in LA.” He said, “See you there” as he looked off trying to spot them.
Not a good day in the office. Those guys are dicks but a top flight manager just walks away from that.
Thank goodness the people the Moss Bros get tickets from at Pitchside didn’t renew for this season.
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I’d also like to point out is that seeds 2-4 in the East all have two games in hand and if they all win both we drop to 4th. Not a good look.
Are we back to thinking just about playoff positioning?
Are we back to thinking just about playoff positioning?
If one of Vieira’s players did that, they’d never see the field again. Never. PV needs to get his shit together - I cannot imagine that anything Mix or Lewis did was as bad as him going off against opposing fans.
Chanot played poorly as well, but we can disagree as to level of blame.
First goal, Chanot does attempt the trap unsuccessfully. However, while BWP moved in on Johnson, with Johnson saving the first shot, Sweat while running back ball watched the entire way and marked neither of the two runners with him. If he picks one, he might be better off on the rebound - or at least make it simpler for Johnson to key on a single player.
Second goal, Chanot header was weak, but it was the second in a chain, and well up the pitch. The push on goal came down Sweat's side (the side Jersey regularly attacked), and yet again he ran back aimlessly without a sense of purpose, be it marking a man or ball or anything.
Third goal, Chanot may have missed a header, but Sweat's absolute failure to force the action on his man was the primary issue.
Each of the goals had a consistent symptom - Sweat flailing in space with no sense or plan. Sweat can be effective moving forward, but too often on defense he has no sense of where he is. Not great for a defender.
Beyond the goals, there were numerous instances where Sweat attempted to move past a man one on one and failed miserably. Also, on the most basic level, there were at least two (maybe three) instances, where on throws he lazily gave the ball directly to the other team.
No one was good today, but Sweat was the worst. Sometimes low hanging fruit is low for a reason.
The two goose eggs against Portland and RB are extremely bad. The only saving grace is that we have 2 home games in hand having only played 4 at YS vs 6 away.
If there is one thing the team has done is get their s*it together after a loss. Going out to LA is a tough one though. Where’s a Philly or Montreal when we need them to make things right again?
Patrick's gray polo shirt really set the tone for us today.
Your rationale rings hollow. Sweat didn’t cause any of those goal - guys more talented than him failed in their roles and they’re the ones that are supposed to carry the load - and these guys are the ones that were direct causes of the goals by blowing offside trap and giving the ball directly to the opposition or not marking in the 6yard box.
To blame Sweat for the loss is similar to blaming a salesman that can’t sell a product that is inherently flawed - it’s on the developers, not the sales force.
At least Ring is honest. Also, is this him calling out Villa for the flick-on which caused the first turnover leading to the goal one minute in?
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Vieira has played in the some of the most terrifying atmospheres in the world. It sounds like to me that the Moss Brothers went a step too far.
3rd goal was complete shit defending from “Sweatinho” giving Kaku a cocktail at the top of the 18 and Chanot not bodying up BWP. Fourth was shit too but I won’t call that one out because at that point it was a scramble and Ring was playing CB.
Only second was pure “luck”. Reminds me of Maxi’s deflected goal a few games ago. But still Valot was in a prime position to score.
Vieira also lost his composure at RBA in 2016 and got ejected before the half in another game where NYC was completely non-competitive. Doesn't matter what those glory hounds did. NYCFC is 1-5-1 at RBA counting USOC. It's a bad look when the team consistently falls flat over there, and the coach shows more passion in inappropriate ways than the team almost ever does.
So two things still bug me about the game:
1. Anyone who has watched RBNJ know that they are a team that thrives on momentum - when they are pressing and it is working, they feed on that and it becomes a reinforcing loop. NYCFC seemed completely unaware that they had to match this level - RBNJ will run at you like chickens with their heads cut off at the beginning of the game to force those turnovers, get up early and force the game. It was as if NYCFC had never seen this before.
2. What most irks me is that it was obvious that it was not working, Ring and Herrera were getting overrun, RBNJ was compressing the field - yet nothing was done until the game was 3-0 and effectively over. Pinch your wingers in, have Villa drop into midfield, something to stop getting overrun. Yes, they did a halftime switch but there needs to be a plan B if they get pressed. Or at least have the confidence on the ball to break the press a few times and break that reinforcing loop in #1.
1. Anyone who has watched RBNJ know that they are a team that thrives on momentum - when they are pressing and it is working, they feed on that and it becomes a reinforcing loop. NYCFC seemed completely unaware that they had to match this level - RBNJ will run at you like chickens with their heads cut off at the beginning of the game to force those turnovers, get up early and force the game. It was as if NYCFC had never seen this before.
2. What most irks me is that it was obvious that it was not working, Ring and Herrera were getting overrun, RBNJ was compressing the field - yet nothing was done until the game was 3-0 and effectively over. Pinch your wingers in, have Villa drop into midfield, something to stop getting overrun. Yes, they did a halftime switch but there needs to be a plan B if they get pressed. Or at least have the confidence on the ball to break the press a few times and break that reinforcing loop in #1.
I'd analyze the game, but I really just have one question.
What the hell was that?
No, seriously. What the hell was that?
What the hell was that?
No, seriously. What the hell was that?
Yeah but Sweat still sucks. Maybe the product was flawed today but the guy couldn’t sell the best of anything and that was obvious.
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