Red Bulls - Postmatch

Yeah but Sweat still sucks. Maybe the product was flawed today but the guy couldn’t sell the best of anything and that was obvious.
His low salary allows the team to spend more on other players (the ones that are supposed to be the difference makers). And he’s American. Go find another player that matches those traits, can play in a 4atb and a 3atb formation, and adds more assists than nearly any other outside back in the league. I’ll wait, and if you find one, let the FO know so they can sign him.
 
Totally fucking dreadful. No spirit, no fight, crappy disorganized stadium, stupid slow NJ transit....

At least we got to cheer at people throwing those red t-shirts on to the pitch. Literally the only highlight of the whole afternoon.
 
To pretend I watched every second of it would be disingenuous. To pretend it was necessary would also be disingenuous.

Vieira, as he is apt to do against good managers, got his ass kicked.


Sweat, as he is always, shit the bed entirely.

We had other people our fans overrate who let us down. Yeah, I mean Ring (so terrible, but mostly PV’s fault) and Tinny (like, dude, it’s a derby).

But nothing about this match should surprise CBA. And nothing about his performance should surprise us. He’s alway a half asser.
 
His low salary allows the team to spend more on other players (the ones that are supposed to be the difference makers). And he’s American. Go find another player that matches those traits, can play in a 4atb and a 3atb formation, and adds more assists than nearly any other outside back in the league. I’ll wait, and if you find one, let the FO know so they can sign him.
Sweat is a good backup. It's not his fault that nobody is capable of beating out a shit starter.
 
A few things that stand out:

Herrera CAN'T put a shot on frame. The club made a video about his lame kick in training and I chuckled because I knew to expect exactly what we got from him today.

Ibeagha deserves props for stepping up in a bad situation.

Villa...

Vieira got worked again. I'm so happy to not have invested the time and energy I used to into this game. We lost and I am totally ok with knowing that we didn't deserve that but Vieira damn sure did.
 
I’ll throw in some simple logic to the discussion regarding the inaccurate blame of Sweat.

First half the team got overrun because the formation and tactics didn’t respond correctly to what RB was doing. PV changed to 3ATB and took off Tinner & Chanot. With the players on the field, Tinner was an obvious choice to remove because he isn’t suited to be an outside CB in a 3-formation. His removal allowed Ofori to enter and help the midfield balance numbers. PV could have left it at one sub (saving it for an additional offensive change) with the backline being Sweat/Callens/Chanot but he didn’t, he wanted to bring on a different defender to close a porous defense. He could have taken Sweat off and made the back Callens/Chanot/Ibeagha, but he didn’t, he took Chanot off making it Sweat/Callens/Ibeagha. That’s 100% telling that the coaching staff had concluded Chanot, typically our sub-captain, had completely lost the plot in the first half. And it’s really telling because we’d normally want Callens on the left with a Chanot quarterbacking the D (Ibeagha is on the right in both), but our de facto organizer on the defense was deemed expendable.
 
Forgiveness for not reading all the other posts, but dudes. So many of y’all acting stupid like we own them.

That’s dumb Af when they got a better manager and less questions about commitment.

Don’t be a tool. Own that we are short handed when it come to attacking teams with heart.

Typical city, yo.

No one will ever love us. And they shouldn’t. We are the guy your parents warned you about.

We are the marketing face of an untendable Corp position.

I’m near giving up. Just don’t care that much anymore. Seriously.
 
Had to work till 6 , saw the score , erased DVR without watching. Currently trying to pretend this didn’t happen most of my in person friends and family don’t care about soccer so I might be able to mange it.
 
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Remember when some people here didn't want Ashley Cole?

Dude is still a Top 3 LB in the league.
How would you have paid for him and gotten the other players on our team that made us better - Maxi, Ring, Herrera, Callens, Chanot??? He came into the league before teams got discretionary TAM.

Hindsight isn’t 20/20 when difficult CAP decisions would have to be made and we don’t know what players would have filled the open gaps.
 
The locker room ain’t so family-like today.... (and Ring isn’t wrong).


Between ALL the finger pointing on the pitch, PV throwing the team under the bus, Villa not shaking PVs hand when subbed and then pouting on the bench, PV losing it vs the Moss twins, and Ring publically calling out Villa in this quote, there’s a lot to clean up internally. And those are only the public displays - no idea what’s going on behind closed doors.
 
The locker room ain’t so family-like today.... (and Ring isn’t wrong).


Between ALL the finger pointing on the pitch, PV throwing the team under the bus, Villa not shaking PVs hand when subbed and then pouting on the bench, PV losing it vs the Moss twins, and Ring publically calling out Villa in this quote, there’s a lot to clean up internally. And those are only the public displays - no idea what’s going on behind closed doors.
I think this might be even more disappointing then the performance in the game...which is saying something
 
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Hey, remember late in the first half when Sweat got pinned into his corner, executed a nice Cruyff turn to escape and then passed the ball to no-one and watched it roll out of bounds? Pretty much a summary of this match.

I can't do too much in the way of analysis as I was sitting immediately behind the goal on the Away support side, and frankly I don't quite know how to watch a game from that perspective (though it was wild seeing a match from the keeper's POV... too bad that included seeing SJ concede three times).

That said, what annoys me the most is that all of us know how NJ is going to play. If you look at the pre-match thread, we all said "we're going to be pressed hard, and be vulnerable to counters". And that was the case. Yet somehow our team looked totally shocked that NJ played the way they always play, like they were utterly unprepared. Totally gross, and really disappointing.

It sucks that the three teams below us have two games in hand apiece. It really does. But the sky has not fallen yet. This is only our second loss of the season, despite being an embarrassing one. We can rally.

ETA: our away support throwing the dumb free t-shirts onto the pitch was not a good look.
 
I think this might be even more disappointing then the performance in the game...which is saying something
Maybe.

But we’ve seen every year of our existence fancy flicks from Villa that don’t work and lead to immediate counterattacks in our end with many leading to goals. There’s a time/place for that style of play, and it’s not when trying to break a fierce press. Ring is also typically the one that winds up having to stop the resulting counter-attack. Play smart, play safe, and act dignified like a captain should even when subbed off - no acknowledgement of the coach and then pouting was not captain-like.

I give props to Ring for being angry about the play on the field and not being afraid to call out Villa. Ring was also hugely pissed at Chanot during the match. He’s typically a guy that lets his play do the talking, so if he uses his mouth, it’s probably something that’s pushed him over the edge.
 
This game turned everything upside down. I hope it's only momentarily.

It's early in the season but my gut feeling is that it's time for Villa to bow out gracefully. He's done everything.

He’s typically a guy that lets his play do the talking, so if he uses his mouth, it’s probably something that’s pushed him over the edge.

Exactly. He's a guy that is perpetually switched on. He cares and if he's talking, I'm listening.
 
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Maybe.

But we’ve seen every year of our existence fancy flicks from Villa that don’t work and lead to immediate counterattacks in our end with many leading to goals. There’s a time/place for that style of play, and it’s not when trying to break a fierce press. Ring is also typically the one that winds up having to stop the resulting counter-attack. Play smart, play safe, and act dignified like a captain should even when subbed off - no acknowledgement of the coach and then pouting was not captain-like.

I give props to Ring for being angry about the play on the field and not being afraid to call out Villa. Ring was also hugely pissed at Chanot during the match. He’s typically a guy that lets his play do the talking, so if he uses his mouth, it’s probably something that’s pushed him over the edge.
Yeah, I don't give props to a player for calling out his teammate because they lost a bad game in an otherwise good season. At least not in public. Wanna have a discussion in private to air out the grievances, by all means. But I think it's a bad look. It's not to say that Ring is wrong, I just think there are better ways to handle it.
 
How would you have paid for him and gotten the other players on our team that made us better - Maxi, Ring, Herrera, Callens, Chanot??? He came into the league before teams got discretionary TAM.

Hindsight isn’t 20/20 when difficult CAP decisions would have to be made and we don’t know what players would have filled the open gaps.
You can argue the 20/20 hindsight, but salary and cap space are not relevant. Ashely Cole was a free transfer making 300k.