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2018 General MLS Transfer Rumors

Discussion in 'Major League Soccer' started by NYCFC_Dan, Dec 4, 2017.

  1. Ulrich

    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Yep. Everything about the Dome hire and implementation was malpractice as his philosophy and needs have destroyed 3 years of roster creation and training philosophy that the existing players bought in to. I give the FO a lot of grief but they methodically overhauled the Kreis disaster into a functioning team fitting PVs tactics, and while they whiffed on some players, they were at least building towards a set goal..... until Dome decided these players weren’t right for how he wants to play. Overhauling rosters in a capped league is like pounding sand.... far easier to just scoop 1-2 players out for replacement than to turn over everybody.
     
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    Christopher Jee Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Is trying to get true wingers and a "twin 8" / "10" really an overhaul?
     
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    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Replacing current wingers with “true” wingers, 8/10 reconfiguration, 3ATB, utilizing outside backs differently as inverted fullbacks/wingbacks requiring reindoctrination..... so yeah, an overhaul of players and philosophy.
     
  4. Christopher Jee

    Christopher Jee Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Of the changes you suggested, I really only think finding true wingers actually requires replacing current squad members.

    Getting another 10 is currently looking like a drop-in replacement (Herrera already gone, Medina arguably eligible for that role).

    3ATB - I'm not at all sure we'd go in this way. It will be interesting if we face more 2-striker systems going forward, because Bielsa-inspired coaches like to set up their backlines so that you have 1 CB for every forward + 1. In any case, we are laden with CB and CB-eligible players, so this is more of a tactical change than a roster change.

    Inverted fullbacks / wingbacks - this is a tactical change rather than a roster change.

    One of the ironies of this particular mini-thread is that we were all about wanting more tactical flexibility when Paddy was trying to play-our-way-out-of-the-back into predictable oblivion against high pressing teams, and failing in the playoffs. Now that we are trying to introduce tactical flexibility, we're complaining it's an overhaul of philosophy and players.
     
  5. Ulrich

    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    The "overhaul" referred to both players and tactics since not all players are comfortable/capable of playing desired tactics. hence the inverted fullbacks is part of that since our currently players are traditional bombing-forward types.
     
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    I was certainly in the group wishing for more tactical flexibility but I've found hindsight has me appreciating more what PV was trying to do. I still think PV could have been better at in game adjustments but I think we'd be in a better place if we had maintained his 4-3-3 play from the back system as our foundational identity. We were starting to build an identity, it was different than other teams in the league, it was fun to watch and it felt like the team was getting better at it each year. Maybe after a few years we would have found that it wasn't an approach that could win in this league but it feels like we've were forced to give it up too soon.

    If Dome's tweaks require no modifications beyond filling outgoing player slots with different types of incoming players it wont be bad. Where it gets really bad is if we have to sell players that could start in the old system because they don't fit in the new one. You can never recoup the TAM/GAM you applied to acquisition fees even if the new player costs exactly the same. If you applied some type of AM to the transfer fee its gone and it's all a game of diminishing returns. You get no money from the transfer unless you sell the player for more than you bought them for and even then you only get a profit at a rate of 2/3 capped at $650K. Your TAM/GAM ends up getting double dipped into positions you already invested it in rather than being used the next year to upgrade other areas.
     
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  8. Ulrich

    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Sad. He was a great coach when the league started out and helped lift MLS out of 1.0.

    Was it ever divulged what his ailment was? Heart? Diabetes?
     
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    Shwafta Active Member

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    They mentioned he was in the hospital with heart stuff a few weeks back.
    This is actually extremely sad. I had no connection to him, but I do know what he's done for this league and Seattle /LA.
    US Soccer legend.
     
  10. Ulrich

    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Before MLS, soccer in the US was dominated by Virginia (Arena), Indiana (J.Yeagley), and UCLA (Schmid). Two went on to be massive influences in the pro realm and they showed the supposed “pro” and foreign coaches that there were a couple minds that could go toe to toe and get the better of them. Would have been nice for Yeagley to have also made the step up, but I think he really liked the collegiate environment. Schmid did it everywhere he went, and to think that Schmid won the Cup in Columbus is pretty crazy.
     
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    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Some of the players Schmid was responsible for:

    Brad Friedel
    Cobi Jones
    Frankie Hejduk
    Joe-Max Moore
    Mike Lapper
    Chris Henderson
    Paul Caligiuri
    Eddie Lewis
    Carlos Bocanegra
    Jimmy Conrad
    Kevin Hartman
    Ante Razov
    Nick Rimando
     
  12. Christopher Jee

    Christopher Jee Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    I'm pretty new to US soccer having migrated here about 12 years ago. Thanks for the didactic posts (+ adamadam 's power ranking). Good stuff.
     
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    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Migrated like a bird during the winter :)
     
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    Gotham Gator Senior Member Donor

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    The outpouring on line makes it clear that he was not only respected but beloved. Seems like a really good guy.
     
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    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    There was a nice eulogy about him taking some media folk out to lunch after he was let go by LAG(?). Seemed like he was a straight shooter with everybody involved in the game.
     
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    Lol, immigrated technically.
     
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    With the European transfer window now open, I expect to see lots of shit going down within the next few days.
    Also, Steffen officially has moved to City right?
    ETA: NVM, that's a summer move.
     
  18. mgarbowski

    mgarbowski Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    I hope so. This offseason has been so boring. But technically, the European transfer window has no effect on transfers to MLS (except indirectly in that it might make European managers more open to dealing). Transfers to MLS depend on the MLS transfer window. This opening only affects deals such as Almiron potentially going to Europe.
     
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