2017 Roster Discussion

I think we've finally found our point of conflict on this issue. I think whatever he did should have been punished but he be allowed to get back on the team, you agree with the permaban in certain circumstances.

We also agree Kreis sucked ;)

Yes. I don't know what Mix did. If PV thought he should be punished for the year, then I can understand why and how it could have hurt or helped the team. Short term pain may be long term gain if the offense was that bad.
 
Yes. I don't know what Mix did. If PV thought he should be punished for the year, then I can understand why and how it could have hurt or helped the team. Short term pain may be long term gain if the offense was that bad.
Let's go on the premise that's all true. He didn't want to accept being a squad player but he then accepted all of his other responsibilities: training, PR, being at the stadium during games, not going on social media to vent, etc. it's kind of crazy because that is the mark of a company man. He did everything asked of him and still wasn't even asked to be a squad player when the team could have used him.

I get it that PV wants the team to be a family, but if that's the case, he also has an obligation to be an adult/parental figure - a family doesn't ostracize one for punishment with no way to work back into good graces. That's something straight out of Jose Morinho's broken-family rules.

I *really* hope your speculation isn't the situation, because that would mean we have a bunch of people running the show that need to check their own maturity and ability to shape/teach/lend wisdom/dole out punishment.
 
Can I give an unpopular opinion? Anyone else think Toure would be a better fit than Pirlo? Probably less apt to put in a defensive shift, but physically, he would be a massive improvement
 
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Let's go on the premise that's all true. He didn't want to accept being a squad player but he then accepted all of his other responsibilities: training, PR, being at the stadium during games, not going on social media to vent, etc. it's kind of crazy because that is the mark of a company man. He did everything asked of him and still wasn't even asked to be a squad player when the team could have used him.

I get it that PV wants the team to be a family, but if that's the case, he also has an obligation to be an adult/parental figure - a family doesn't ostracize one for punishment with no way to work back into good graces. That's something straight out of Jose Morinho's broken-family rules.

I *really* hope your speculation isn't the situation, because that would mean we have a bunch of people running the show that need to check their own maturity and ability to shape/teach/lend wisdom/dole out punishment.

To me that looks like working exactly to your contract so your boss can't fire you with cause. See also schweinstager this last year. The guy's face was all over our merch first season and first half of this one, marketing appearance are likely written into his contract. Mix was supposed to be a face of the team, ditto with Lampard.

Just because something looks one way on the outside does not mean it's anything like the closed doors reality. Mix is clearly one of our most talented players, him not seeing even the bench means he fucked up behind the scenes.

Mix either did or failed to do something that got him into this situation, it is likely entirely on him and not Vieria. Since ya know, Vieria was playing Mix as a starter for a long while.

Final analysis I'll side with the guy who took the team from second to last to fourth over a player that never fit the team's structure and never played to his potential.

Imagine how much stronger we can be next year if that version of Mix actually sees the field.

My assumption is something like this.

Harrison CM
Pirlo somewhere in mid.
Other DP midfielder

Mix pay scale player becomes our CF and Villa gets to be his most happy self playing on the left. Preferably this guy is about 6'2+. Kinda like Nemic except good.
 
Can I give an unpopular opinion? Anyone else think Toure would be a better fit than Pirlo? Probably less apt to put in a defensive shift, but physically, he would be a massive improvement

Toure (if he gives a damn and actually puts in some effort) is much more of an "MLS" player than Pirlo - his physicality would be great within the league. Problem is Yaya would probably make Poku look good with the effort he would give. He'd run maybe 10 minutes max per game.
 
I'd like to hear FootyLovin psychoanalyze this situation. The question being, is everyone rehabilitatable?
No. People have to want to change. The best coach (therapist, parent, etc) can't change someone who is locked into their desired path with no interest in alternatives.
Was giving up on reforming Mix for his mystery offense - because that is what a season long benching is, giving up - worth the damage it caused to the team?
Maybe. Your comments tend to sound like you evaluate this as a scenario in which benching Mix loses all Mix value with no upside and playing him adds all Mix value with no downside. In this case, benching him is certainly not worth the damage.

But this could certainly be a more complex transaction - that benching Mix created value in unity, demonstration, etc for the rest of the team and playing him might have created discord and lack of commitment to one another on the field. In that case, benching him might be well worth the damage.
I think managing a team is like dealing with kids. Some might act out in different ways in response to stressful situations, etc, but they are all teaching moments and every personality can be managed by the right manager.
I just disagree. I've worked with talented people who are uncoachable. As a manager your most valuable use of time is with players who are both talented and eager to learn. Trying to coach a talented player who doesn't respect you or want to learn is a waste.

Ultimately, I think it is way too simplistic to believe that PV got his feathers ruffled and benched Mix for the season. PV is a young coach, but he has tremendous success in this sport and his interviews consistently suggest a thoughtful, considered and positive approach to analysis and decisions. He might not always make the right decision. But he doesn't seem like the kind of hothead to get pissed off in June and say, "That's it! You'll never see the field again for us."

Had he done this, I suspect assistant coaches, DPs, CFG and maybe others too would have pushed back on that decision and helped him walk it back. Maybe it really was all PV. But I find that a hard pill to swallow.
 
I think Mix's tenure, ten years from now, will be looked upon as more disappointing than Lampard.

And I think Pirlo is the biggest disappointment of all three.
Of course you and everyone else should know how much I thank The Club for bringing him closer to me . But this experiment and those cleats failed to everyone's expense ! Ya'll know how I feel about him I don't have it within me to ever stop. It's too deep ! I Just Want To Shake Him, and ask What The Hell Were You Thinking ?? This is as much of a threat that I pose to him. Truth and nothing but Truth !
 
Villa and Lampard have been fantastic. All I know about Pirlo is that he keeps to himself. He's been a very good teammate as well. I don't want that to be misconstrued. I know for a fact that Villa and Lampard are beloved by the organization. Pirlo is just quieter, a little shy. Keeps to himself. Different dude, that's all. I know there isn't a problem with Villa and Lampard and I'm pretty confident there is no issue with Pirlo as well, although I haven't been told that explicitly.
You'd Keep To Yourself to if you knew you Embarrassed yourself and Fkd up your Legacy for the whole world to see !!! Not to mention the crap your kids are putting up with at school and an X wife that's loving it all on the inside but has to console your children !! YOU SEE PEOPLE !! This is what Andrea takes to the Pitch Ya'll !! This is what he deals with in his mind !! Now can Everyone Understand this and why what happens to his playing happens ???
 
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