I'll speculate (and this is nothing but pure, made up, 100% pure baseless rumor and speculation) that Mix threw a bunch of teammates under the bus in a very public manner after the Open Cup loss. That could be one way to get exiled.
2017 Roster Discussion
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I'll speculate (and this is nothing but pure, made up, 100% pure baseless rumor and speculation) that Mix threw a bunch of teammates under the bus in a very public manner after the Open Cup loss. That could be one way to get exiled.
Love the guy, but if exercising the option forces it to be at current salary level (pretty sure this is the case), then we have to take a pass. I'd love him on a TAM level deal that doesn't dry that well, but we need some youth from the DP spot.
Even if we offer, I bet he's headed home to begin his coaching license. Rumor is he'll be fast-tracked through the FA.
Good stuff. Very interesting. A few reactions.
- If Harrison is viewed as a CM, then we have our two starting attacking mids lined up for 2017, and we may be looking for more help on the wings and behind those two (depending on Iraola).
- I wonder if the offer to Frank was at less than DP wages. My guess is "yes", which is why they don't think he will take it.
- Trading TMac may be a good example of selling high. He's been solid this season, but I don't think he's got a much higher ceiling. I love the guy, so I hope we keep him, but he was getting less PT as the season wore on.
- Really sorry to hear that about Mix. I continue to think of him as a good guy and wish him the best, even if he's not the right fit here.
A few things people need to understand.
- We can cut one player with a guaranteed contract without it hitting our salary cap. This means we pay him out and each side moves on. This will almost certainly be Mix, barring a transfer.
- The above means that we are not cutting or waiving other players (e.g. Saunders) unless they are not on multiple year deals.
- If Mix has a no trade clause (which we don't know for sure), then he could always waive it in order to go into the Expansion Draft. However, his best option is just to arrange a buy out and be available on a free transfer.
- Mix is not a fool. He knows the best thing for him is to move on and get playing time somewhere else. He will get paid much if not all of his last 2 years to do so. It's a no brainer. He is not going to sit around in NY collecting pay, and the organization is not going to tie up valuable salary cap money having him do that.
Would like to spin this on its head. What if Mix did something that would have been a fireable offense for any of us? Let's say he was insubordinate to his employer. Because of his contract, he can not be terminated.
Is it fair for a guy like Lopez who has been a model teammate and employee if someone like Mix doesn't play by the rules but gets to play?
In that scenario, you can blame Mix for PV being hamstrung.
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...there's literally no news content to that story. The headline speculates that MLS "could" extend his contract, and then that idea is not explored in any way.
Pirlo. Not a classic attacking mid, of course, but he's been playing forward alongside Lampard most of the season.
I wonder if he'll be back. I still like him enough to keep him around too, with a Lampard replacement next to him like Schweisteiger.
I'd like to hear FootyLovin psychoanalyze this situation. The question being, is everyone rehabilitatable? Was giving up on reforming Mix for his mystery offense - because that is what a season long benching is, giving up - worth the damage it caused to the team?
I'd say we agree (not considering fault right now) that it damaged the team, he or his salary could be have helped us.
Sports and jobs are not based on fairness. Was it fair to the ten other guys on the field to have to play with an overmatched Lopez in a playoff game?
Nope. But maybe they should call Mix and tell him to get his shit together.
I'm sure that MLS contracts have legalese in there for termination for cause, although maybe there is also something in there per the CBA that runs interference??? I don't know.
The random ideas that I can think of that could be bat-shit crazy situations are:
1. Was it as bad as the wynalda/harkes incident?
2. Did he intentially hurt somebody in practice? 3. Did he openly blame others for a loss?
4. Did he tell PV to fck off?
5. Did he make any off-color remark about CFG's national interest or religious/ethnic makeup?
1 & 2 are massive problems for an org and would lead to a firing.
3 & 4 are not necessarily cause for termination depending on the situation that preceded it. 4 would be more likely cause than 3, but we have employment laws that have to be navigated.
5. Definitely leads to termination depending on what was said/phrased.
Again, all spit-balling.....
So we agree something else could have been done beyond a season long benching
I think managing a team is like dealing with kids. Some might act out in different ways in response to stressful situations, etc, but they are all teaching moments and every personality can be managed by the right manager.
I think in this case, working it out would have been worth it. You seem intent on making sure blame rests on Mix, I dont give a shit who is to blame, I just dont want Mikey Lopez startign a playoff game.
So we agree something else could have been done beyond a season long benching
I think managing a team is like dealing with kids. Some might act out in different ways in response to stressful situations, etc, but they are all teaching moments and every personality can be managed by the right manager.
I think in this case, working it out would have been worth it. You seem intent on making sure blame rests on Mix, I dont give a shit who is to blame, I just dont want Mikey Lopez startign a playoff game.
I am not intent on blaming anything on Mix. I think he could have helped us this year. Let me go out on a limb - I was not told this - but let me go out on a limb here:
What if Mix was told that he was to be a squad player this year and he said no? You can disagree that he should have been behind Pirlo, Iraola and Lampard on the depth chart. There may even be an argument to be made there. But what if he didn't accept that as a role? What if he was insubordinate. Do you still think he deserves to play?
I've coached high school kids before. They suck to coach for a lot of reasons. But if I learned anything, it's that you need to isolate or eliminate problems before they blossom. Many of us think that Kreis had open revolt at the end of last year. Part of the reason he was let go.
I think we've finally found our point of conflict on this issue. I think whatever he did should have been punished but he be allowed to get back on the team, you agree with the permaban in certain circumstances.
We also agree Kreis sucked
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