2017 Roster Discussion
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That's what the rules say should happen, however, I'm not so sure its going to work out exactly like that.
I might be misremembering but I believe AI was on like $300-400k last year and is running us roughly $200k this year.
Also we need to remember getting rid of Mix might not be a 1 to 1 trade dollar/compensation wise. We used the vast majority/entirety of our new team bonus GAM on Mix. We really need to trade Mix in order for us to get anything back from that.
Side note: Poku's sale was headlined at $700k, which means that we received roughly $465k as a team, that we can choose to use as GAM. Since we're not the Union we probably actually entirely converted it to GAM.
The real question with respect to how badly did the Diskerud contract screw us over is how much did we burn getting Maxime Chanot? Assuming what you said is true Lion, then we probably also incorporated the special discovery player rule into the transaction. I doubt that KV Kortrijk let Chanot go on a free.
My no math WAG is that we've probably got between $300k-$400k between GAM and TAM going into next season. I don't think we used all of the TAM we got this year, but if I had to guess we did use a fair chunk of it on Chanot. My estimate would be a lot lower, but the Poku transfer really helped us a lot. Actually the best thing Poku probably ever did for the club was let himself get sold. I don't think we used all of the TAM we got this year
Assuming I'm right and we have around $300k-$400k left I'd expect another Chanot/Mix caliber player to come in as a defensive midfielder. Taurus posted our probably line up for Sunday in another thread, and after seeing it one would be hard pressed to believe that this is not our preferred XI for this year.
Not that we've ever managed to get this XI on the field at the same time; due to injuries and international call-ups. But that's beside the point, which is that adding a DM here would give us great depth at RB and DM. As we've seen this past year, any time AI is either tired or injured we become totally unhinged at the back. Adding a good midfield destroyer here should really help cover our back line and give us more breathing room in the midfield so that our DP's don't have to burn their more limited stamina.
If we can score a good DM in the off season I think we will be in an amazing place come next year. That plus healthy DP's and our preferred back-line and I can see us being favorites for the supporters shield. NYCFC already scores more than anyone else in the league, conceding a quarter of a goal less on average this season would probably have won us the league (no math was involved in that statement). We have a league leading attack, even a slightly below average defense, say 50 goals against instead of 56, could have won us the eastern conference if those saves came against the right teams.
What sort of monsters do we look like to the rest of the league if we have a top half defense, allowing 45 goals or less?
That's what the rules say should happen, however, I'm not so sure its going to work out exactly like that.
I might be misremembering but I believe AI was on like $300-400k last year and is running us roughly $200k this year.
Also we need to remember getting rid of Mix might not be a 1 to 1 trade dollar/compensation wise. We used the vast majority/entirety of our new team bonus GAM on Mix. We really need to trade Mix in order for us to get anything back from that.
Side note: Poku's sale was headlined at $700k, which means that we received roughly $465k as a team, that we can choose to use as GAM. Since we're not the Union we probably actually entirely converted it to GAM.
The real question with respect to how badly did the Diskerud contract screw us over is how much did we burn getting Maxime Chanot? Assuming what you said is true Lion, then we probably also incorporated the special discovery player rule into the transaction. I doubt that KV Kortrijk let Chanot go on a free.
My no math WAG is that we've probably got between $300k-$400k between GAM and TAM going into next season. I don't think we used all of the TAM we got this year, but if I had to guess we did use a fair chunk of it on Chanot. My estimate would be a lot lower, but the Poku transfer really helped us a lot. Actually the best thing Poku probably ever did for the club was let himself get sold. I don't think we used all of the TAM we got this year
Assuming I'm right and we have around $300k-$400k left I'd expect another Chanot/Mix caliber player to come in as a defensive midfielder. Taurus posted our probably line up for Sunday in another thread, and after seeing it one would be hard pressed to believe that this is not our preferred XI for this year.
Not that we've ever managed to get this XI on the field at the same time; due to injuries and international call-ups. But that's beside the point, which is that adding a DM here would give us great depth at RB and DM. As we've seen this past year, any time AI is either tired or injured we become totally unhinged at the back. Adding a good midfield destroyer here should really help cover our back line and give us more breathing room in the midfield so that our DP's don't have to burn their more limited stamina.
If we can score a good DM in the off season I think we will be in an amazing place come next year. That plus healthy DP's and our preferred back-line and I can see us being favorites for the supporters shield. NYCFC already scores more than anyone else in the league, conceding a quarter of a goal less on average this season would probably have won us the league (no math was involved in that statement). We have a league leading attack, even a slightly below average defense, say 50 goals against instead of 56, could have won us the eastern conference if those saves came against the right teams.
What sort of monsters do we look like to the rest of the league if we have a top half defense, allowing 45 goals or less?
How about you add a competent keeper to that mix? Then we really look dangerous
How about a 6'7" Norwegian guy that's been in the Manchester City academy and even played a friendly for Manchester City?
And here's the better part, he's already on our team.
#StartEirik
something to keep in mind also heading into 2017: MLS keeps adding new mechanisms to make rosters better/deeper (a la TAM, DPs). I wouldn't be surprised if we see a new mechanism added this off season, though it would just make more sense to expand the salary cap. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I suspect that he is/was not the answer. I won't defend Saunders, but I will say that I trust PV would have made the change at some point if he thought that it would have made a postive difference. PV hasn't really been sentimental about lineup decisions and certainly hasn't been shy about blowing up the lineup, benching players, shuffling, ignoring players on their birthdays and when they have 50 friends and family members in the crowd, etc. I think that if PV thought that Lurch was the right move he wouldn't have hesitated to insert him. (A separate discussion is whether/how the team should have addressed the fact that neither Saunders nor Lurch was a top shelf option this season).
With that said, I don't think that PV thinks that Saunders is very good. I just don't think he believes(ed) that Lurch was much better. Maybe Lurch has improved and will play into the equation next season. I will take any reasonable bet that Saunders (fortunately) will not.
That's a long-winded way of saying that I trust PV.
You trust a coach that took us from one of the worst teams in the league to one of the tops ones within a single season?!?!? HOW DARE YOU!!!
To start that separate discussion, we were really hamstrung with the salary cap last offseason. It's really easy to single out Saunders, but the real question is whether we would have been better off upgrading at keeper or signing Mata, Martinez, Brillant, Chanot, & Gomez. At a bare minimum, Mena & Mix need to be off the roster next if we have any hopes of upgrading other positions.
In fairness though, we rocketed to the top in spite of a shitty GK, not because of him. There is no conceivable way playing Lurch would have conceded more goals than Saunders if we use the Necaxa match as an example with how Lurch fared and made a acrobatic saves with a circus show in front of him.
Just as people suggest there's more to Mix not playing than we're led to believe, I firmly believe there's a ton more to Saunders playing (not because of his skill or leadership excuses posited) than the club is telling us - while I don't think Saunders has blackmail material, I will never accept Leadership as the reason since he isn't vocal on the field and looks like a baby deer in the headlights after each goal is scored.
Between Hernandez and Mena, Hernandez is the one to drop. He is horrible with the ball and defends with his arms and is out of position constantly either because he's not fast enough or he loses his mark. Mena has had horror show level plays at times, but he also has balled-out and shut down attackers. When his teammates show for the ball he makes solid passes/when they are stagnate his passes are shit - is that on him or the team? Mena is also younger with a far greater upside.
Just my two cents.
I was thinking the same thing. Add in the fact that he got a substantial raise after last season and my head is really spinning.
I understand what you are saying but I just can't see them rid of Saunders or Hernandez. They are pretty much our only MLS vets and that has some locker room value. I hope they don't see a minute of time on the pitch, but other guys have to step up take the out of the rotation.
I know that we can get intoxicate with the athletic ability of some guys, but in the end a guy that is young with athletic and sucks, still sucks. He has shown zero improvements to his play over the last two seasons. No reason to keep him around.
I know that we can get intoxicate with the athletic ability of some guys, but in the end a guy that is young with athletic and sucks, still sucks. He has shown zero improvements to his play over the last two seasons. No reason to keep him around.
Saunders reported/prevented/tried to stop whatever Mix did to both Kreis and Vieira to be permabanned, confirmed.
I really enjoyed your post, but wanted to also re-hash your points on Poku above. It really sucked seeing him leave as it was very enjoyable to watch him play, but selling him was an absolutely fantastic move for the club. Especially considering what we received for him, and the amount of playing time he was getting here.
The discussion of Poku is actually one I find myself having with quite a few people, and its often an easy way for me to identify how much attention someone I'm discussing/bantering with has given NYCFC. I was in a very amicable discussion with some Red Bulls fans Saturday night at a bar and one of them brought up Poku and why we got rid of him, etc, etc. I quickly realized (and told him) that he hasn't watched much of our games (which is fine, I've watched a few RB games this year, but not a ton). And as much as I would love to rag on RB fans, I've had similar discussions like this with other NYCFC fans.
The 800k TAM program instituted last year has a two-year life. Based on that, I'll speculate they'll leave the rulebook alone this offseason but explore new ideas after the 2017 season.
Question for the laywers here. To me the wording implies it must be used in the two years, does that mean it just has to be put into a contract within the two years or meaningfully used up?
Put into contract: amortized in a player contract over 3 or 4 years.
1) If Iraola leaves, can Chanot step into the holding role (I think he could, and should, if we have another CB option)
2) Is Lampard or Pirlo more vital to our success (I say Lampard)
3) Someone will be sold this offseason. Does losing Matarrita or Chanot hurt us more?
4) Do we buy Steven Mendoza?
5) Do we go into 2017 with RJ Allen as our starting RB?
6) With impending departures, do we stay with a 4-3-3 next season? If Lampard is gone, does a 4-2-3-1 make more sense?
2) Is Lampard or Pirlo more vital to our success (I say Lampard)
3) Someone will be sold this offseason. Does losing Matarrita or Chanot hurt us more?
4) Do we buy Steven Mendoza?
5) Do we go into 2017 with RJ Allen as our starting RB?
6) With impending departures, do we stay with a 4-3-3 next season? If Lampard is gone, does a 4-2-3-1 make more sense?
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