2023 Roster and Transfer Discussion Thread

[mgarbowski]

In fact, although a little different, this reminds me of the time I showed up for a (NY) Rangers v Oilers game in 1994 with my dad, and the teams traded Doug Weight for Esa Tikkanen a few hours before the game. Because they were playing each other, they just switched teams and both immediately played for their new team against their old one. We were watching the pregame skate and were baffled when we saw them each wearing the other’s uniform, not having heard about the trade.

There are numerous instance in baseball where players were traded in the middle of a 3 or 4 game series against each other and played on both sides. In 1922 the Cubs and Cardinals did it in between games of a doubleheader. In 2004 the Red Sox and Twins were involved in a 4 team trade while the Twins and Sox were in the middle of a series. Doug Mientkiewicz packed his gear and walked over from the Twins locker room to the Red Sox locker room. When he got there he saw Nomar Garciaparra packing his gear (Nomar was heading to the Cubs) and thought, "Dammit, I was looking forward to playing with him."

 

[Gotham Gator]

Oh, I don't know that we're in a predicament. We have a DP in our pocket and plenty of dry financial powder. If we didn't, maybe then we'd be in a predicament. Right now, we're just looking for the right guy.

As to the $15 million, that was just our ask. The market wasn't there at that level. I think the top offer I saw was a little over half that -- around $8 million. (Taty is currently at about €9.3 million in value; he peaked at €12 million on April 1 of last year.)

And since demand sets the market . . .

Anyway, we're definitely talking apples and oranges when it comes to comparing Taty with Talles Magno. Very different games. Just because we developed one into a striker, it doesn't mean we can develop another into one the same way.

We also didn't "give Taty away for free". We loaned him and will either sell him or get him back in the summer.

Basically, the Club took an educated gamble that it was worth waiting a year to try and maximize his sales value. We will see if it works out. Signs point to "no", but we aren't yet at the end.

And I reiterate that selling or waiting has nothing to do with what's happening in this transfer window. We are already sitting on plenty of dry powder, so whether we have an extra $750K $1.1M in GAM from a sale doesn't affect our options.

 

[ALBNYfan]

Here it comes.. And they're having some fun with it...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1631744013987446800

https://twitter.com/x/status/1631744270284587008

https://twitter.com/x/status/1631744523104649233

 

[Gotham Gator]

And he's a DP.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1631746021603639313

 

[LionNYC]

And he's a DP.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1631746021603639313

Don’t love that

 

[twsj91]

Don’t love that

Same, but I wonder if it can be bought down. Also, if the nycfc.source twitter account can be trusted it didn’t exactly seem like they are going to break the bank for striker anyway?

 

[Shwafta]

Wow, they actually announced it today. Interesting.
He plays tmrw???

 

[moogoo]

Wow, they actually announced it today. Interesting.
He plays tmrw???

told ya. if you will it, it will happen. lol

and he is available for tomorrow, so i don't see why not?

 

[Fantazma]

So Our DP's are Santi, Talles, and Martins. can we still technically get a U22 DP player? Or was that just Gabi Pereira ? I forgot what the right term was.

 

[Gotham Gator]

So Our DP's are Santi, Talles, and Martins. can we still technically get a U22 DP player? Or was that just Gabi Pereira ? I forgot what the right term was.

Everyone can get 1 U-22 player. Teams that have fewer than 3 Senior DPs can have 3 U-22 Players. Both Talles Magno and Santi are Young DPs, so NYCFC qualifies.

Pereira and Andrade are U-22s. Ilenic would qualify, but it's not clear whether he is one as well. It would depend upon his transfer fee because the big advantage for a U-22 designation is that the transfer fee doesn't count when calculating the salary cap.

 

[Fantazma]

Everyone can get 1 U-22 player. Teams that have at least one Young DP can have 3 U-22 Players. Both Talles Magno and Santi are Young DPs.

thanks, these rules still confuse me.

 

[ZYanksRule]

We are a good striker away from being MLS Cup contenders. This team is ready to go to war right now. Great stuff.

Santi was 6th in MLS in assists last season, with 13. At age 22. No reason he can't be a 15-20 assist player for us. Absolutely worth a DP spot.

 

[Gotham Gator]

thanks, these rules still confuse me.

I don't know what you're talking about. MLS rules are as clear as Windex.

 

[moogoo]

We are a good striker away from being MLS Cup contenders. This team is ready to go to war right now. Great stuff.

Santi was 6th in MLS in assists last season, with 13. At age 22. No reason he can't be a 15-20 assist player for us. Absolutely worth a DP spot.

still need a left footed CB and a solid, first choice RB to be a true contender. ledezma would also be a necessary depth piece

 

[Gotham Gator]

still need a left footed CB and a solid, first choice RB to be a true contender. ledezma would also be a necessary depth piece

I think we have our RBs.

Agree totally on a left-footed CB.

We need a striker - if not to start, then at least as a backup to play when TM is hurt or we are chasing a goal.

We need a backup to Santi - maybe that's Pellegrino. Maybe it's Ledezma. But, it's got to be somebody.

 

[moogoo]

I think we have our RBs.

Agree totally on a left-footed CB.

We need a striker - if not to start, then at least as a backup to play when TM is hurt or we are chasing a goal.

We need a backup to Santi - maybe that's Pellegrino. Maybe it's Ledezma. But, it's got to be somebody.

our right backs are an unproven kid and gray, who gives has a good attacking game once in a blue moon?

i think we need another starter quality RB with experience. i.e., a cufre level signing for the right side.

 

[Gene]

thanks, these rules still confuse me.

Me too. So I'm guessing without that 3rd spot Firmino is out come July.

 

[Kjbert]

I’m guessing Ilinic is a U22.

We must be sitting on a TAM player money. The money doesn’t add up otherwise.

Don’t hate Santi as a DP. But more and more I hate Martins as a DP. Where are the goals coming from?

 

[KevinJRogers]

I think we have our RBs.

Agree totally on a left-footed CB.

We need a striker - if not to start, then at least as a backup to play when TM is hurt or we are chasing a goal.

We need a backup to Santi - maybe that's Pellegrino. Maybe it's Ledezma. But, it's got to be somebody.

I think Pellegrini is indeed going to back up Santi, even though he's not a true 10. But there's a workaround now with Sands back should Santi go down or need a rest.

We're in good shape almost everywhere else. It would be nice to have a left-footed center back, but fortunately the ones we have now all have two feet so it's more of a luxury thing. Ledezma would be a nice pickup if he's healthy and it doesn't ding the budget. Most of the lingering second backup questions probably have their answer at the Deuce (when you're reaching for your second backup by definition you're already in an emergency LOL).

So, we're back to the striker issue. That's the last really essential piece. I'd give a pepperoni pizza to know who's on our target list.

 

[KevinJRogers]

I’m guessing Ilinic is a U22.

He's listed on the site as a Senior International. That's some pretty serious confidence in the kid. (Personally, I think he may be electric. Really excited to see him get his chance.)