Is Arteta enough of a name to help with recruiting? I think that is something we will miss with out Vieira. Some of the players were coming to play for him. It’s one of the reasons Atlanta is able to to do so well getting players, Tata can convince them
NYCFC Confirm Departure of PV. Nice Confirm Arrival of PV as Manager.
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So who’s coaching Friday? Anyone know where to find that kid with the umbrella?
How come OGC Nice wouldn't pay a compensation, as Vieira is still under contract at NYCFC? I suppose he'd be paying it himself, as sometimes happens. AFAIK, Ring paid himself out of his contract from Kaiserslautern, who would otherwise have refused to let him come to New York.
No idea. We stopped meeting when Lewis was first frozen out.Ulrich is it true he's out of town? Did PV miss your coffee and cronuts this morning?
Yeah, no compensation makes zero sense, unless its lost in translation that Nice doesn't pay but Vieira does. Otherwise, CFG wrote about the worst contract ever that didn't include a penalty clause.
Or maybe they just don't want to be seen as holding up a career move in order to better recruit future coaches.
This is surprising, without seeing out this season and winning something, I don't think PV's resume is all that strong. I'm surprised he was pursued, obviously his name made him a target.
This is the wrong attitude because it places the club in all future negotiations in a place of disadvantage with the new managers pointing to precedence set - ie. a broken contract with no reparations. They aren't going to limit his aspirations provided the release clause is met.
It also sells the club short by acting as a smaller entity than they are. Yes they are a club in MLS, but they're also the New York club in MLS with an organization backing them that supposedly spares no expense (as long as it's justifiable). A small mentality is the absolute wrong position to take and and portray themselves as.
If we don’t have some clause to protect our interests in this case.... how can the same group of people (generally speaking) successfully manage a PL team and constantly screw up even basic stuff in MLS.
It’s Groundhog Day with this FO. Patricof and the lot of them are in way over their heads and CFG isn’t paying close enough attention to keep the train on the tracks. I’m scared to hell to think about will happen when we actually do start building a stadium.
Is Patricof capable of managing a project like that?
For good or bad, we're also operating within CFG's umbrella and there are times (like now) when the interests of CFG and NYCFC diverge. If they truly see PV as a Pep replacement when Pep's new current contract ends, they need him to get coaching reps in a good situation in a top 5 Euro league. If that's the case CFG isn't going to ask for money from Nice especially since it's a rounding error for CFG.
And it's not like CFG isn't giving us other nice things (cough Herrera cough). I'll also be shocked if CFG let's NYC hire from outside the CFG family (for good or for bad). That could be Arteta or someone else (and I do think Arteta has enough name pull to recruit).
I don’t think Patricof had anything to do with PV’s contract - there are people in the HR/legal dept, among others, that would deal with it. And I don’t think Patricof has a hands-on role with the stadium, especially once it’s in construction. CFG has a dedicated facilitates person, don’t remember their name, hat came over from Manchester to run the show.
Patricof is the figurehead of the club and manages the big picture while directing specialists below him to address specific needs.
Maybe I don’t understand their structure but I assume his role is similar to that of a COO- they do very little of the actual day to day work but are entirely responsible for overseeing and have final say over everything that does not flow directly to the CEO. The players contracts wouldn’t necessarily flow to him but the coach’s would as well as all capital projects- even if he isn’t editing the fine print and calling the GC about toilets.
Again, maybe I’m wrong, but it is a reasonable assumption.
How is that different than what I described? He’s managing the experts under him. Final say yes, but not the minutiae.
Edit: and in the world of NYCFC, Patricof is the face of the club to the city and other businesses. He’s the guy shaking hands and promoting initiatives. He’s meeting with fans (at round intimate table discussions) and liaising with the Yankees (I wrote him directly when YS didn’t have their water fountains installed for the first game and he discussed it with the Pinstripes).
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6338364/man-city-joe-hart-mls-new-york-city-fc/
its the sun so take that for what you will.
I don’t think Patricof is involved with this decision at all. He’s only on the commercial/business side of the club. Thus falls squarely on Reyna and the higher ups in CFG.
Given we didn’t get anything back from Nice. Hopefully either Vieira himself paid the buyout or we get something back like no poaching of the rest of the coaching staff.
Given we didn’t get anything back from Nice. Hopefully either Vieira himself paid the buyout or we get something back like no poaching of the rest of the coaching staff.
The only way I see this as even a possibility is if Sean Johnson is already being courted by foreign teams and NYCFC plans to sell him for max GAM in the summer window. Not sure where we get the additional international spot though.
Deal made? Drama aside, I’m excited for a new manager. PV has been great (especially in recruitment) but it will be nice to have a fresh perspective (especially regarding lineups, sunstitutions, tactics...).
I don’t think NYCFC is truly ambitious—I honestly believe the organization takes a “good enough” approach to pretty much everything (DPs, training facility, etc.)—so I bet the assistant steps up to finish out the season and I’ll be surprised if we get a big name after that. But will be nice all the same if the next dude has even a little bit more flexibility in the sporting approach.
We’ll know shortly if this is all BS or not
At some point we’re going to have to make the connection and see how this all compares and fallouts to LampardGate.
I believe another debacle for the front office. The biggest aspect that Vieira brought to NYCFC was player recruitment with his name and history. We are losing that heading into the summer transfer window. And all future windows.
I believe another debacle for the front office. The biggest aspect that Vieira brought to NYCFC was player recruitment with his name and history. We are losing that heading into the summer transfer window. And all future windows.
that was going to be an issue whenever he left though, he may have extended another year but i dont think much more than that.
what compensation did people want? if its money then i dont think we can even use that as GAM/TAM anyway. the only thing is that we get to keep his right hand man assistant as interim or something.
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