Maybe we sign Messi in a few years with him as our manager.
NYCFC Confirm Departure of PV. Nice Confirm Arrival of PV as Manager.
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Maybe we sign Messi in a few years with him as our manager.
I'm hardly a huge fan of it myself. I've always been a believer that you sign the best person for the job, not the one who tick the most theoretical boxes, whether that be on inclusivity grounds in the workplace or Barcelona-style internal promotion grounds inside CFG, etc. Incidentally this is why I have so much internal conflict when major, successful teams fail to bring through youths from their academies (less so when the team refusing to promote its youth is not winning every game), but that's another debate.
I'd be interested to see what an Arteta or Borrell or any other could do, and I know exactly why they would want to promote one, in order to preserve the "CFG style of play" and so on, but I'd always rather see an experienced candidate come in than a learner driver so to speak.
I would totally be on board with Borrell. Only possible criticism is that most of his career has been in oversight and technical director jobs and not on the sidelines, although one would think the last couple years on Pep’s staff would alleviate those concerns.
Apparently, the Union wanted to bring him into the front office 3 years ago, but he declined. Article below has interesting details.
Union target Borrell passes on front-office job
POSTED: 07/22/15, 2:46 PM EDT | UPDATED: ON 07/22/2015
The Philadelphia Union have fallen short of landing its most significant target to date for the director of soccer operations position.
The Daily Times has learned that the Union formally offered the job to Rodolfo Borrell, who serves as the global technical director for Manchester City, but the Spaniard has passed on the opportunity.
Union CEO and Operating Partner Nick Sakiewicz said Borrell’s decision was a personal one, opting to stay with Manchester City, where he was hired in March 2014.
Borrell visited the Union on two occasions and attended games as part of his interview process, Sakiewicz said. Though one of many candidates, Borrell is the individual with whom the Union have held the most advanced negotiations thus far.
The 44-year-old Borrell’s credentials checked many of the boxes that the Union desired. His post at Manchester City includes various outreach programs in the U.S. via partner club, New York City FC, as well as identifying and developing talent worldwide and molding Manchester City’s coaching strategies. He has worked with Manchester City WFC, whose members formed the core of the England team that finished third at the recent Women’s World Cup.
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http://www.delcotimes.com/sports/20150722/union-target-borrell-passes-on-front-office-job
Apparently, the Union wanted to bring him into the front office 3 years ago, but he declined. Article below has interesting details.
Union target Borrell passes on front-office job
POSTED: 07/22/15, 2:46 PM EDT | UPDATED: ON 07/22/2015
The Philadelphia Union have fallen short of landing its most significant target to date for the director of soccer operations position.
The Daily Times has learned that the Union formally offered the job to Rodolfo Borrell, who serves as the global technical director for Manchester City, but the Spaniard has passed on the opportunity.
Union CEO and Operating Partner Nick Sakiewicz said Borrell’s decision was a personal one, opting to stay with Manchester City, where he was hired in March 2014.
Borrell visited the Union on two occasions and attended games as part of his interview process, Sakiewicz said. Though one of many candidates, Borrell is the individual with whom the Union have held the most advanced negotiations thus far.
The 44-year-old Borrell’s credentials checked many of the boxes that the Union desired. His post at Manchester City includes various outreach programs in the U.S. via partner club, New York City FC, as well as identifying and developing talent worldwide and molding Manchester City’s coaching strategies. He has worked with Manchester City WFC, whose members formed the core of the England team that finished third at the recent Women’s World Cup.
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http://www.delcotimes.com/sports/20150722/union-target-borrell-passes-on-front-office-job
...and we're not even half way through the season...?
I'm not very excited by the prospect of hiring our second straight youth coach with no experience of coaching a team whose primary goal is winning games.
Any time Borrell has been in charge of a team his primary charge has been to develop players so they can either move up to the big team or sold to another for a profit.
If we get 2 coaches in a row whose only experience is doing that, well, I'm afraid it says a bit too much about our role in the CFG system.
Any time Borrell has been in charge of a team his primary charge has been to develop players so they can either move up to the big team or sold to another for a profit.
If we get 2 coaches in a row whose only experience is doing that, well, I'm afraid it says a bit too much about our role in the CFG system.
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I mean, he's been an assistant coach to Pep Guardiola, who occasionally wins soccer games. As for youth experience, the difference between him and Vieira is that Borrell has been doing it for decades, including twelve years at the best academy in the world. And I don't think we should downplay his experience leading City's international scouting, given how important that's becoming in MLS. I'd be thrilled with this hire.
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What’s your point? Medina hasn’t registered a goal or assist since the Dallas match (1g) on 4/29, and before that he had two assists against RSL on 4/11. That’s half of his production in only two matches. But since Dallas, he’s gone 6 matches without contributing to the scoring category, and the club has had a 2-2-2 record with both losses being nasty. The two matches between RSL & Dallas were a tie and a loss. The other times he registered points were in only three matches (1g/1a, 0g/1a, 0g/1a), which means he’s only tallied in 1/3 of our 15 matches - that’s not a great record for effectiveness, especially for a guy that’s only been tasked playing advanced, whereas Jack last year had to track back to defend a lot during matches - in fact, once Vieira added that responsibility, Jack’s production went down from the fast pace of the first half of the season.
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The amount of time he has put in without ever being in charge of a competitive team (as opposed to a development team) is for me a cause of concern. Does this guy have ambition? Does he even want to be a head coach? He seems to me the guy you can put in charge of secondary projects and be comfortable. He goes where the team needs him. That's a great employee to have. I'm not sure he's a head coach of a team trying to win a trophy. This smells like Arteta didn't think NYCFC was a proper stepping stone for him -- he probably knows he can get a job in Europe or maybe believes he can succeed Pep -- and Borrell said "where do you need me?"
Is anyone aware of his role as Assistant Coach at MC? What specifically has he been doing since 2016?
And instead they got Ernie Stewart. Who knows, maybe in an alternate universe Borrell is USMNT GM.
I’m in total agreement. This feels like an impulse/forced hire (because CFG was behind the 8ball) just like the Maxi signing. And unless Borrell was actually training those mercurial players with hands-on instruction, it’s not an accurate correlation to say he developed them (he didn’t) and therefore it translates to our ability to develop (it won’t).
So now we get a guy who gets to cut his teeth in MLS and what’s CFG’s endgame, promising him he can take over after Pep at MCFC??? This just reeks of a low budget, desperation hire that guarantees the “city way” and conformity without any real coaching results to point to for confirmation. He’d be a better hire for Reyna’s position if Reyna ever packed it in.
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The fact that a guy without a playing pedigree has climbed this high and earned the respect of the people he has strikes me as a strong indication of both ambition and ability. You might enjoy this article: https://nesn.com/2012/07/rodolfo-bo...d-coaching-has-taken-him-from-rubi-to-kirkby/
Ask 413Blue when he slid the focus of the discussion and created a sub-thread with his teeter-totter meme.
Damnit. It’s a see-saw!
That article helps, yes. Thanks. I'm still not on board. Definitely not excited. I want a guy who has experience being in charge at game time. I will just have to wait and see.
Hmmm, I wonder if there's maybe some random reason he didn't take the Union job…
posted that a page ago when he was first mentioned. I'd say read the posts, but it's really watch the posts in this instance
The other issue that makes this hire reek are the rumors PV stuck around longer so that CFG would have time to find his replacement. Borrell was available the moment the premiere league ended, so PV wouldn’t have offered a longer stay through yesterday if CFG had immediately tapped Borrell to take over, which means Borrell wasn’t the first choice. Whether the first choice was Arteta or somebody else, we may never know, but if Borrell is anything other than an interim manager, with somebody else being tapped after the WC/pre-European season musical chairs shuffle completes, then I’m not impressed.
It goes back to an earlier post of mine that listed theee items CFG would need to hit on to indicate their short term ambition:
1. This coaching change
2. Their summer transfers
3. The next round of DP signings.
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