NYCFC v Chicago Postmatch

MOTM

  • TMac

    Votes: 86 69.9%
  • Shelton

    Votes: 7 5.7%
  • Tony Taylor

    Votes: 7 5.7%
  • Saunders

    Votes: 11 8.9%
  • Mix

    Votes: 29 23.6%
  • Matarrita

    Votes: 5 4.1%

  • Total voters
    123
Vieira also had an embroidered NYCFC crest on his left breast. Very sharp.
It's the team suit from Ben Sherman that all the players got last year, I believe. Not sure if we are still with/ Sponsored by Ben Sherman though. It looks so nice is because our coach isn't wearing an adidas track suit to all the games, but an actual suit.
 
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What I didn't like was the nonchalant way Pirlo passes the ball.

one of the greatest passers in the history of football doesn't pass the ball with enough urgency for S1ARK5!!!!!

I lol'd.


I finally got to watch this game last night. It was entertaining. Shelton would be an all star if he knew what to do with the ball after dribbling 70 MPH north to south.

Road wins are road wins, fellas. Gotta love em.

By the way, I bought MLS Direct Kick and as nice it was to watch this match from Miami, the camera angles are brutal. I watched some of the Orlando City game (what an ending) and I felt like I was watching the match from outer space.
 
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I noticed on Chicago's first goal it looked like Matarrita blew the offsides trap. Going to take a long time to get that right with 3 new defenders if that's going to be our primary defensive play. Midfield did not seem to be collapsing like they did in preseason either.
 
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Mullet Messi?

I like, I like.
one of the greatest passers in the history of football doesn't pass the ball with enough urgency for S1ARK5!!!!!

I lol'd.


I finally got to watch this game last night. It was entertaining. Shelton would be an all star if he knew what to do with the ball after dribbling 70 MPH north to south.

Road wins are road wins, fellas. Gotta love em.

By the way, I bought MLS Direct Kick and as nice it was to watch this match from Miami, the camera angles are brutal. I watched some of the Orlando City game (what an ending) and I felt like I was watching the match from outer space.

I am happy I can make people laugh, because in the end that is what matters. In all seriousness if you take a look at my other post regarding his passing, you will see what I mean. However, I won't make you look. No doubt Pirlo is a great passer. However when playing in Seria A, when playing in Champions League against other teams from the EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, etc....the offensive players in those leagues, the technique they have are deadly. Thus you can't really pressure the ball handler aka midfield for 90 minutes, thus giving the midfield more gaps, and more time with the ball at their feet, to pick and choose. In MLS it is different. The pressure is on for 90 minutes, and MLS is known as one of the more athletic leagues in the world. Everyone runs non-stop and they pressure non stop. Pirlo had a lot of trouble adjusting to this last year, and so far this year he hasn't learned how to handle it. That was my point. Does he still make good passes? Yes. Has he turned the ball over more times then I can count? Absolutely. He needs to stop doing that, he is very careless with the ball in this league.
 
I like, I like.


I am happy I can make people laugh, because in the end that is what matters. In all seriousness if you take a look at my other post regarding his passing, you will see what I mean. However, I won't make you look. No doubt Pirlo is a great passer. However when playing in Seria A, when playing in Champions League against other teams from the EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, etc....the offensive players in those leagues, the technique they have are deadly. Thus you can't really pressure the ball handler aka midfield for 90 minutes, thus giving the midfield more gaps, and more time with the ball at their feet, to pick and choose. In MLS it is different. The pressure is on for 90 minutes, and MLS is known as one of the more athletic leagues in the world. Everyone runs non-stop and they pressure non stop. Pirlo had a lot of trouble adjusting to this last year, and so far this year he hasn't learned how to handle it. That was my point. Does he still make good passes? Yes. Has he turned the ball over more times then I can count? Absolutely. He needs to stop doing that, he is very careless with the ball in this league.
He also gets very slow passes from the GK, at weird times while he is already pressured. Saunders has a long way to go to become a passing GK if thats what Vieira is going to try to make him.
 
He also gets very slow passes from the GK, at weird times while he is already pressured. Saunders has a long way to go to become a passing GK if thats what Vieira is going to try to make him.
There is no doubt about that. If PV is insisting on playing possession within our own end, he needs to have a GK that is like an extended CB with their feet. Unfortunately Saunders just doesn't have a great leg and at this point in his career, it is what it is. But even still, I would make a point that next time you see Pirlo in the midfield, look at how many times he receives the ball form TMac or Mix and he sees nothing in front in terms of someone he can link up the play with, and instead of going back to Tmac or Mix, where you can clearly see they are expecting him to return the ball to them. He holds on to it for too long and gives it up.

Again far be it from me to tell Pirlo how to play midfield, but so far in MLS he really hasn't adjusted to the speed and the pressure. I hope he learns how to deal with it.
 
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As someone who had a terrible leg in college as a GK, I know what Saunders feels when the ball gets sent your way as an outlet and you are getting pressured. Its an awful feeling lol. You kick the ball and it doesn't even reach midfield. SMH.
 
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Again far be it from me to tell Pirlo how to play midfield, but so far in MLS he really hasn't adjusted to the speed and the pressure. I hope he learns how to deal with it.

Remember too that Pirlo gets a lot more defensive attention here than he did in Europe. Chicago practically had a man shadowing him the whole game. This just underscores his need to get the ball out quickly since there is always someone close.
 
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Remember too that Pirlo gets a lot more defensive attention here than he did in Europe. Chicago practically had a man shadowing him the whole game. This just underscores his need to get the ball out quickly since there is always someone close.
I think there is also something to be said for the fact that, for those years at Juventus, he was playing on a team that was generally meaningfully more talented than its opponent - a talent gap that his skills then helped accentuate because he had time.

It would be interesting to go back and watch some of their games in the Champion's League or tough games for the Italian national team, for example, and see what those looked like and how his teams created a situation for him to thrive even in his later years.

Even setting aside the stylistic differences between MLS and Serie A, a key difference between the leagues is that, in MLS, the talent gap between the teams is far les.
 
Last year NYCFC did not get its first away win until...
June 6th, 14 games into the season, their 7th away game.

They started the year away from home: DDLLLL before getting the first W. Gulp.
Winning away from home is tough in MLS, I think RBNY went years without winning in Chicago.

Take the points, work on the offside trap and Saunders learning how to throw the damn ball, and move on.
 
Remember too that Pirlo gets a lot more defensive attention here than he did in Europe. Chicago practically had a man shadowing him the whole game. This just underscores his need to get the ball out quickly since there is always someone close.
Good point Gator. As you said , this underscores his need to get the ball out quicker.
 
Last year NYCFC did not get its first away win until...
June 6th, 14 games into the season, their 7th away game.

They started the year away from home: DDLLLL before getting the first W. Gulp.
Winning away from home is tough in MLS, I think RBNJ went years without winning in Chicago.

Take the points, work on the offside trap and Saunders learning how to throw the damn ball, and move on.
Yes there are a number of places RBNJ went years without winning away, Chicago being one of them, Toronto another. As you said, winning in general, much less away in MLS, you take it how you can get them. It is very hard to win in this league.
 
I think there is also something to be said for the fact that, for those years at Juventus, he was playing on a team that was generally meaningfully more talented than its opponent - a talent gap that his skills then helped accentuate because he had time.

It would be interesting to go back and watch some of their games in the Champion's League or tough games for the Italian national team, for example, and see what those looked like and how his teams created a situation for him to thrive even in his later years.

Even setting aside the stylistic differences between MLS and Serie A, a key difference between the leagues is that, in MLS, the talent gap between the teams is far les.


My point exactly. The offensive skill set in Europe, especially in Champions league is superb. They just can't afford to pressure the full 90 like they do here in MLS.
 
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48 hours later, and reading through here, wanted to share some more thoughts:

Mix - Maybe his best game in an NYCFC kit. I would love to see a heat map and a usage rate indicator. He must have put up Michael Bradley like travel numbers - like 5 or 6 miles. He was terrific defensively in disrupting the Chicago attack, was smart on the ball and distributed well. Well done, Mix.

Pirlo - He does one or two things brilliantly every game that make you appreciate how lucky we are to have him in MLS. But I am starting to now think it was a poor signing.

Shelton - Flashes of Gyasi Zardes. He's the real deal and we're lucky to have a healthy Shelton. He just needs more reps.

Taylor - Biggest surprise for me. He plays with the same confidence as Villa. He put in a great match.

Hernandez - Not good enough to play with this squad.

Villa - Put in a great effort. Didn't score or create, but he was a nuisance on their distribution.
 
Here's the Khiry goal: Great speed, horrendous first touch, incredible second touch. I'll leave you to decide on the final kick. Looks like stumbling to me, and based on his previous attempts at goal, I'm not ready to give the benefit of the doubt. Hope I'm proved wrong :)
Well, I feel better know that I'm not the only one that couldn't figure out the final touch. Either way, though, I thought this play, and his play generally, was a meaningful net positive. There was another point earlier in the game where he drew a foul in a semi-dangerous spot by running at defenders. Khiry is a one of a kind on our team in that we don't have any other players like him and so it is huge to me if he steps up, even if it isn't always particularly pretty.
 
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One thing on Khiry, is he has miles more confidence than last year. Besides the goal, I remember one point I believe in the first half where he cut inside and rocketed a shot over the bar. Now, it wasn't on target, though it didn't miss by much (if I am recalling correctly), and realize he does have a lot still to work on, but its great seeing the kid have some confidence. Scoring in the season opener can only help fuel that.
 
Setting aside the macro debate around Pirlo, we people surprised that Vieira left him out there for 90+ in a game where we were leading but defensively vulnerable?

Around minute 70 we were up 4-2. I would have thought that was a natural time to take him out and bring in Bravo perhaps. It seems like a sensible move for seeing out the game, plus managing wear and tear on Pirlo.
 
Setting aside the macro debate around Pirlo, we people surprised that Vieira left him out there for 90+ in a game where we were leading but defensively vulnerable?

Around minute 70 we were up 4-2. I would have thought that was a natural time to take him out and bring in Bravo perhaps. It seems like a sensible move for seeing out the game, plus managing wear and tear on Pirlo.
I agree wholeheartedly. We were getting overrun, something that stopped once Lopez came on. Pirlo wasn't being used anyway as we played up the wings.