Official 2016 Nycfc Roster Discussion Thread
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What I find difficult to understand about the article and sources with inside info on his health, is that very few people should have any idea of what his health truly is - there's something called HIPPA, a federal law, that in a nutshell doesn't let doctors discuss a patients medical records with anybody else without the patients approval. So who are these sources that are leaking info? If the doctors or medical professionals (that would include the teams medical training staff) then somebody broke the law. If anybody else, it's just here say and speculation. If a teammate, the coaching staff should make short work of them.
Until something more concrete comes out, I'm not worrying about it - I figured he wouldn't be ready until late spring / early summer anyway.
Until something more concrete comes out, I'm not worrying about it - I figured he wouldn't be ready until late spring / early summer anyway.
If we knew we were getting Mattarita and Diego before the draft then we did the right thing. No need for three left backs on one team when we could get the best projected offensive player in the draft (it just sucks that he might be out for the whole season, but no one could have seen that coming).
I don't think matarrita is going to be in the league very long. He's going places
It's normal operating procedure for sports teams to give injury updates -- even for sports teams to "leak" injury updates without officially giving those updates. It's not the doctors doing it, it's a team official. Can almost guarantee you, if this website got that report, they got it from either a team official or from the player's agent. There would seem to be some disagreement as to the severity of the injury.
Frankly, I think it's terrible how secretive NYCFC has been with injuries these last two years. Fans have every right to know what's going on with the team, and fans in this market are smart and savvy enough. The team should be more forthright.
Agreed, with the caveat that I'm sure there's an acceptable middle ground. But what they're doing gets old fast. I'm sure Lampard will miss the opener too, but they don't want to announce that because it might hurt ticket sales. It's manipulative.
You could justify it as not wanting to give your opponent information, but it feels like it's more than that.
Of course teams give injury updates via official channels, but this wasn't an update, this was a backdoor leak with no name attached claiming authorship as the source.
Teams don't leak injury updates. If they wanted the information out, they put it out there - both the team and the league have mechanisms to do it without needing to be like deepthroat as a source for a news clip. Teams typically want to keep an injury's severity quiet. Plus, supposedly there are multiple sources saying its for a year, which again, there would be no reason for the team to put out a single leak let alone two leaks/sources, so we can pretty much rule the team out.
There's also nothing gained by the agent leaking this information - if anything, an agent would want the severity kept quiet so as not to label the athlete damaged goods with a season-long debilitating injury.
I just don't think your explanation adds up.
This makes sense, but there are two other possibilities. One is a dispute between internal factions within the team and somebody thinks it helps to leak this. Maybe a dispute over roster decisions or still fighting over whether they drafted the right guy. Two is some people just feel important leaking secrets and showing off.
Both seem unlikely and I'm inclined to agree with you but I can't completely discount these.
I hadn't thought of those possibilities. However, I have a feeling if it was the bold theory you mention, and the person is found out, then the person will be fired. CFG keeps a tight ship and doesn't appreciate leaks - they're amazing at keeping info locked tight.
I'm not sure about the other theory regarding infighting.... dissent last year by Kreis seemed to rub people the wrong way (missing the playoffs was cited, but there was more to it) and he was canned. I'd really think that his example, as the prodigal child getting a pink slip, would be enough to frighten other from acting out.
Then again, I could very well be wrong about both theories since people act irrationally every day.
Well this team doesn't give any meaningful injury updates via official channels, but maybe via unofficial channels someone in the organization doesn't agree with the decision not to release the update. That kind of thing happens in some organizations. Perhaps that's happening in this organization.
As for the agent, if the agent thinks the team is misdiagnosing the injury, or if the agent thinks the team isn't taking the injury seriously enough, he leaks the injury to put public pressure on the team to shut the player down.
I'm just spitballing here -- I could be completely wrong. But there are many reasons why the team would leak an injury when they don't put out official statements.
And BTW, generally speaking the official injury report says "Frank Lampard - calf - questionable" -- that's not a meaningful injury update. I'm talking about an update where they actually tell us what's going on, when they expect him to return to practice, and when they think he might be back. Even Vieira's update of, "We think he'll be back soon" isn't a real update.
Honestly, I'm not sure what it is about the new Millennial attitude of instant gratification and entitlement, because I'm sure not losing any sleep over a lack of injury updates. Vieira will play the best players he has available, so whether others are injured or beaten out means little to me.
It's delusional to think a team should pander to the fans by giving more information than: Frank Lampard - calf - questionable". They're never going to say it's a grade 2 tear (or whatever medical description it warrants), plus with soft tissue injuries, it's impossible to give an idea of an exact time frame to heal. The term questionable leaves a window of possibility for the player play if they improve while acknowledging there's a good chance they won't play. Sure the team should say a player is injured rather than having fans sift through practice photos - shame on NYCFC. But beyond saying a player didn't participate, and the general reason (calf / questionable), the team doesn't need to give any more info out to the fans or their opponents.
Every sports team in the other leagues (NFL, MLB, NBA, etc) are just as cryptic as NYCFC is being except they will definitively rule a player out and announce it if there's zero chance of the player playing any time soon - this is because they have a means to replace the player in the short term with another by either calling up from AA/AAA or the practice squad. With the season about to start, NYCFC has essentially their entire team healthy (save Lampard and Mena) and obviously think there's a better chance than not of Harrison recovering faster than would require placing him on the DL and signing a temp guy that likely would not see the field.
Here's the thing: Everybody knew he failed his Combine physical. Everybody was excited the team moved mountains to get him since he was the best talent in the draft. Everybody expected him to miss the beginning of the season. Nothing has changed - the season hasn't even started. It will be unfortunate if Harrison missed the entire year (I always assumed it'd be until the late spring/summer period), but if that's the length of time to provide the correct course of treatment required so be it, and we won't know if he missed the year until Sept/Oct, so until then, this is a whole lot of rampant speculation based on anonymous sources.
The thing is, teams in these other leagues are required to report injuries, and do so according to established formats/standards. MLS does not require injury reports, so information comes out inconsistently or not at all.
Now that I think of it, I remember someone saying he had an avulsion fracture, which is not the same in the same category that you would normally think of a broken bone. An avulsion fracture is where a piece of bone is pulled off by a tendon. More akin to a very bad strain than a broken ankle.
we traded cap money for a guy with a broken pelvis.
Sooooo... It seems like we are going to get out 2016 1st round draft pick in... *drum roll* 2017!
A couple of things to remember about this tweet though:
we traded cap money for a guy with a broken pelvis.
- He says he can confirm that Jack HAD a fractured pelvis. Does not necessarily mean he still does. Now granted, he could still have one, and this could have just been a typo or whatever.
- He confirms the injury, but does not address the original report stating that Jack is likely to miss the whole season. Jack could still be close to returning as PV says.
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