Please... Help Me Out.

[FootyLovin]

So...you admit you're just talking out your ass then?

Ok. Just wanted to make sure you realize that.

That's funny. Actually, I thought I was admitting that neither of us can know for sure and we are both making assumptions based on outsider knowledge and conjecture. Predictably, you offer a simplistic reading and understanding of my post to go with your simplistic reading and understanding of Kreis's performance.

 

[NYCFCFan10]

Actually, I have a question. You are an unabashed Kreis supporter. So, forget about his history as a player and coach. Forget about this being an expansion year and all that. Here's my question.

What were Kreis's successes this year?

When I do performance reviews with people, I like to review what they saw as their big wins. What were Kreis's? Was it the games they won? Was it the development of the youth?

How about the 3 game run they had when the team was realitively stable just before CFG dumped a bunch of players on Kreis and told him they had to play?

I think back to Dallas, when Kreis basically said fuck CFG and benched all 3 DPs and the team started playing better in the second half.

I think of the dominating win over Orlando in mid-season.

I think of Poku, who Kreis was developing the right way. Poku will probably regress under our new European manager.

 

[FootyLovin]

How about the 3 game run they had when the team was realitively stable just before CFG dumped a bunch of players on Kreis and told him they had to play?

I think back to Dallas, when Kreis basically said fuck CFG and benched all 3 DPs and the team started playing better in the second half.

I think of the dominating win over Orlando in mid-season.

I think of Poku, who Kreis was developing the right way. Poku will probably regress under our new European manager.

You're right. Those 5 wins looked pretty good. Fun games. There's a lot of room for disagreement on how Poku was or wasn't developed the right way. But if those are your big arguments for Kreis's success ...

Well, there's a reason for the ignore button. It's been nice knowing you. This will be my last response to your arguments which I can't really continue to take seriously.

 

[NYCFCFan10]

That's funny. Actually, I thought I was admitting that neither of us can know for sure and we are both making assumptions based on outsider knowledge and conjecture. Predictably, you offer a simplistic reading and understanding of my post to go with your simplistic reading and understanding of Kreis's performance.

Actually, I have a connected source at CBS that said:

Multiple sources have indicated that Pirlo, Frank Lampard and David Villa played a role in the removal of Kreis, a triumvirate of experienced internationals who did not foresee a positive future for NYCFC with a coach who only had domestic credentials.

Not "the team" 3 guys. One of which is a scumbag that only played 5 or 6 games or whatever it ended up being and another that has confessed his undying love for Capello in one of his books,

But you....you only have your butthole. Sorry.

 

[Ulrich]

How about the 3 game run they had when the team was realitively stable just before CFG dumped a bunch of players on Kreis and told him they had to play?

I think back to Dallas, when Kreis basically said fuck CFG and benched all 3 DPs and the team started playing better in the second half.

I think of the dominating win over Orlando in mid-season.

I think of Poku, who Kreis was developing the right way. Poku will probably regress under our new European manager.

I think back to the first Game Pirlo played, the 5-3 win against Orlando in July - the one you reference as the "dominating win," and Pirlo completely changed the dynamic on the field when he entered. The game had been slipping away as evidenced by Orlando tying the game at 2 minutes after Pirlo entered, but then he went on a tear by involving Poku and spraying balls all over the field to NYCFC players bombing forward. Poku had three assists and it was his breakout game - also significant in that the trade with Philly was supposedly yanked off the table that same day.

So your second point is invalid, as is your third point since the concept of development has nothing to do with shipping somebody out to wipe your hands clean of them.

If you want, I'll even see your first point and raise you with an 11-match winless streak. That was before Kreis was shackled with so many unwanted players, using the guys he personally assembled - it takes a hell of a lot of coaching to go on an 11 match bender without a single win.

 

[EganSoccerWords]

So with the whole Kreis discussion taking place I held a poll. On the forums and on Twitter. On our end the results were fairly similar. Both on Twitter and the forums it was very close.
See below.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/661592614534295553

Shortly after I put up the tweet I was informed EoS had been running one. I left ours up since I was a bit surprised by the direction theirs was going. Completely opposite end of the spectrum. I feel that our vote count of over 100 is a good base for an accurate poll so despite the fact they garnered more votes I would imagine they'd be at least somewhat close.

https://twitter.com/x/status/661346019070910464

So, what do you think this says about our supporter base. Let's be clear, my Twitter account and this forum are made up of mostly NYCFC supporters. Whereas the EoS is a mixture. A lot of his followers have been there for years as Cosmos and RB fans as well.
Still, it's a bit surprising the difference in the polls. What does it say about our base?
New to MLS and expect success due to being in NY or having followed successful foreign clubs etc. or is it because a lot of supporters who are new to MLS aren't familiar with Kreis' past successes and can't stand to give him another year of what he has shown us. I can see where MLS supporters who have been around some years and follow EoS are familiar with Kreis and his past can stand to give him more time. I think at the end of the day that's what it comes down to.

Different fans frequent different places on the internet Reddit seems to be more pro-Kreis than here. I personally don't think the virulent anti-Kreis opinion on this board is mainstream, but to each his own.

 

[BxLio91]

Most people here aren't even anti-Kreis, but we do understand that if a coach has lost a locker room and it's leaders, he has to go.

 

[NYCFC_Dan]

Are most of the press RB and Cosmos fans too?

This fan base is the only fan base in the world that would allow their club to be screwed over on day 1, fire their coach after a normal expansion season record and then turn around and say, "I have full faith in the ownership to build a winner."

Maybe CFG can buy the fans a clue.

You're really starting to talk like a troll and seeing as how you access via proxy you're on a short leash. I mean we know you're a troll and I'm telling you now you have 1 chance left.

 

[NYCFCFan10]

I think back to the first Game Pirlo played, the 5-3 win against Orlando in July - the one you reference as the "dominating win," and Pirlo completely changed the dynamic on the field when he entered. The game had been slipping away as evidenced by Orlando tying the game at 2 minutes after Pirlo entered, but then he went on a tear by involving Poku and spraying balls all over the field to NYCFC players bombing forward. Poku had three assists and it was his breakout game - also significant in that the trade with Philly was supposedly yanked off the table that same day.

So your second point is invalid, as is your third point since the concept of development has nothing to do with shipping somebody out to wipe your hands clean of them.

If you want, I'll even see your first point and raise you with an 11-match winless streak. That was before Kreis was shackled with so many unwanted players, using the guys he personally assembled - it takes a hell of a lot of coaching to go on an 11 match bender without a single win.

Based on that comment, I'd say you're pretty new to MLS.

2005 Los Angeles: 4 wins [New]
2005 Salt Lake: 5 wins [New]
2006 Houston: 11 wins [Relocated from San Jose]
2007 Toronto: 6 wins [New]
2008 San Jose: 8 wins [New]
2009 Seattle: 12 wins [Promoted from USL]
2010 Philadelphia: 8 wins [New]
2011 Vancouver: 6 wins [Promoted from USL]
2011 Portland: 11 wins [Promoted from USL]
2012 Montreal: 12 wins [Promoted from NASL]
2015 Orlando: 12 wins [Promoted from USL]
2015 NYC: 10 wins [New]

None of them had their ownership actively sabotaging their season from day 1 either.

So all told, it was a pretty impressive season considering our owners destroyed the team chemistry repeatedly and took one of our supposed leaders to sit on a bench for more than half the season.

 

[FootyLovin]

You're really starting to talk like a troll and seeing as how you access via proxy you're on a short leash. I mean we know you're a troll and I'm telling you now you have 1 chance left.

I don't know what you are referencing but I'm so grateful to you for the ignore button. I loved this board when I found it for two reasons: the intelligent analysis and the breaking news. I left it for a while because the trolls and negativity got to be too much for me. I'm hoping a liberal use of ignoring can bring me back.

 

[NYCFCFan10]

It's worth noting that almost all the other clubs to hit double digit wins in their first season were "promoted" clubs that existed in a lower league prior to joining MLS.

2006 Houston is the only club besides NYC to hit double digit wins from scratch. Actually, now that I think about it Houston was a relocated club from San Jose in 2006. So they weren't from scratch, either.

So NYC is the only club, since the contraction, to hit double digit wins from scratch their first season.

 

[JGarrettLieb]

Are most of the press RB and Cosmos fans too?

This fan base is the only fan base in the world that would allow their club to be screwed over on day 1, fire their coach after a normal expansion season record and then turn around and say, "I have full faith in the ownership to build a winner."

Maybe CFG can buy the fans a clue.

I've been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. But I just can't anymore. Your arguments are over simplistic and never take into account more than surface level factors. Over the last couple of days your posting has brought down the general quality of the forums and been nothing but inflammatory.

I'm going to ignore you for a bit, and see if your post quality improves around next season.

 

[roxfontaine]

I left it for a while because the trolls and negativity got to be too much for me.

The ignore function is peace. This board is so good. Don't let anyone detract from the great conversation here.

 

[Ulrich]

It's worth noting that almost all the other clubs to hit double digit wins in their first season were "promoted" clubs that existed in a lower league prior to joining MLS.

2006 Houston is the only club besides NYC to hit double digit wins from scratch. Actually, now that I think about it Houston was a relocated club from San Jose in 2006. So they weren't from scratch, either.

So NYC is the only club, since the contraction, to hit double digit wins from scratch their first season.

Who cares - that's a totally arbitrary barometer on so many levels. Any team that joined immediately after contraction was at such a disadvantage because the surviving MLS teams cannibalized Miami's & Tampa Bay's best players and were infinitely stronger than any new team could hope to be. So of course Chivas & RSL were going to suck in 2005. Since 2008 San Jose joined, only one other expansion team was from scratch (Philly) until NYCFC, so there really aren't that many teams to compare to by Kreis' self-described standards.

As points are the determining factor of advancement, and not wins, that's what should be looked at, and as each season has had a different number of game and total possible points, the important factor is points per game.

The 2008 San Jose squad had a record of 8-13-9 for 33pts in 30 games = 1.1 pts/game. NYCFC had a record of 10-17-7 for 37 pts in 34 games = 1.09 pts/game.

Luckily Math doesn't lie, and it sure looks like the 2008 SJ team performed better than the 2015 NYCFC team. SJ was the only club, since the Contraction, to average 1.1 points per game from scratch.

 

[TabascoDiva]

This poll is meaningless without this Diva's vote.
Will an absentee vote count?

 

[Gavin23]

By my calculations half the board has ignored NYCFCFAN10 and the other half is seriously contemplating it.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

The ignore function is peace. This board is so good. Don't let anyone detract from the great conversation here.

And the people said amen. It also makes me happy to ignore the Derek villa guy. I'd rather read Ferdinand Cesarano every day then these guys. Are we sure Derek and 10 are not the same person?

Frankly, I'm ashamed I ever said anything he ever agreed with. He's purely here to stir shit, as much or worse than any MC fan who lasted much less time.

Everyone should be done with these guys. Some folks, like Whill and Mag just disagree and have a discussion or have a snarky comment (mags). That's what being a fan is. Folks who just want to run down the club are a plight. They, nor their opinions, don't deserve respect or even a forum. Ignore them, and embrace happiness.

I can shit on my family. You can't. Want to shit on us? Show someone here you're family.

 

[NYCFCFan10]

Who cares - that's a totally arbitrary barometer on so many levels. Any team that joined immediately after contraction was at such a disadvantage because the surviving MLS teams cannibalized Miami's & Tampa Bay's best players and were infinitely stronger than any new team could hope to be. So of course Chivas & RSL were going to suck in 2005. Since 2008 San Jose joined, only one other expansion team was from scratch (Philly) until NYCFC, so there really aren't that many teams to compare to by Kreis' self-described standards.

As points are the determining factor of advancement, and not wins, that's what should be looked at, and as each season has had a different number of game and total possible points, the important factor is points per game.

The 2008 San Jose squad had a record of 8-24-9 for 33pts in 30 games = 1.1 pts/game. NYCFC had a record of 10-17-7 for 37 pts in 34 games = 1.09 pts/game.

Luckily Math doesn't lie, and it sure looks like the 2008 SJ team performed better than the 2015 NYCFC team. SJ was the only club, since the Contraction, to average 1.1 points per game from scratch.

Holy ****.... lol

You're the one that pointed out our 11 game winless streak and said it was an "achievement". So I showed you that winning ~10 games is really pretty much average to slightly above average, factually, and you say it's arbitrary. Obviously, I wouldn't go to points since points include ties and you obviously weren't happy with our ties in our 11 game winless (not losing) streak.

Then, you make a bunch of baseless and arbitrary excuses for all those other teams. Newsflash: The contraction was in 2001. Expansion didn't begin again until 2005. So your wacky, little excuse about the other teams being overpowered by absorbing Miami and Tampa's talent is just hilarious. Besides, there was a hard salary cap in 2005. No DPs. So it's not like anyone was financially strong-arming little Salt Lake.


So only 1 team, since the contraction, averaged .01 points more than NYC per game from scratch. Strong argument.

Seriously, this is not trolling, you're just not that bright so I'm going to stop replying to you now.

 

[NYCFCFan10]

By my calculations half the board has ignored NYCFCFAN10 and the other half is seriously contemplating it.

Reported for trolling.

And the people said amen. It also makes me happy to ignore the Derek villa guy. I'd rather read Ferdinand Cesarano every day then these guys. Are we sure Derek and 10 are not the same person?

Frankly, I'm ashamed I ever said anything he ever agreed with. He's purely here to stir shit, as much or worse than any MC fan who lasted much less time.

Everyone should be done with these guys. Some folks, like Whill and Mag just disagree and have a discussion or have a snarky comment (mags). That's what being a fan is. Folks who just want to run down the club are a plight. They, nor their opinions, don't deserve respect or even a forum. Ignore them, and embrace happiness.

I can shit on my family. You can't. Want to shit on us? Show someone here you're family.

Reported for trolling.

 

[BxLio91]

And the people said amen. I'd rather read Ferdinand Cesarano every day then these guys.

Let's not go too far now