2017 Roster Discussion

[Midas Mulligan]

In addition to this, sites like sofifa allow fans that actually follow the players/teams to be able to comment on their pages with real info. That's why I'm skeptical of Badji, but pumped about Ring, even though Ring is lower rated

EA FIFA, while they are apt to miss on young players and players in lesser and lower leagues, does actually use professional staff along with season ticket holders to provide input on ratings, in addition to their statistical analysis.

So basically, ratings are about as accurate as the data available from the team/league. So if a player isn't logging a lot of data, such as the young player and those on less followed teams in less followed leagues, the margin of error is obviously going to be a lot greater.

The most overrated players are always PL. Not sure how much of that is due to empirical issues and how much is sales strategy.

eta: Fantazma
http://www.espnfc.us/blog/espn-fc-u...blends-advanced-stats-and-subjective-scouting

 

[NYCFCfan]

Any movement on green cards?

Not that I've been told.

 

[Fantazma]

EA FIFA, while they are apt to miss on young players and players in lesser and lower leagues, does actually use professional staff along with season ticket holders to provide input on ratings, in addition to their statistical analysis.

So basically, ratings are about as accurate as the data available from the team/league. So if a player isn't logging a lot of data, such as the young player and those on less followed teams in less followed leagues, the margin of error is obviously going to be a lot greater.

The most overrated players are always PL. Not sure how much of that is due to empirical issues and how much is sales strategy.

eta: Fantazma
http://www.espnfc.us/blog/espn-fc-u...blends-advanced-stats-and-subjective-scouting

interesting article....i still think when it comes to data and stats there is still much work to do since im sure fifa has different metrics for stats than say OPTA or FM etc....no uniform way yet but it definitely is something that can be helpful and be improved upon

 

[JayH]

Yangel is coming. Thanks Chris.

http://thenycfcnation.com/2017/02/yangel-herrera-set-for-nycfc-move/

 

[NYCFCfan]

Yangel is coming. Thanks Chris.

http://thenycfcnation.com/2017/02/yangel-herrera-set-for-nycfc-move/

Cheers, I'm pissed because AS published their story a few minutes before I did. I could have scooped everyone! lol

Self aggrandizement aside, this seems like a good move. Vieira wants to finalize his team ASAP, and there's a good chance we'll hear news on Mix's fate soon.

 

[adam]

Yangel is coming. Thanks Chris.

http://thenycfcnation.com/2017/02/yangel-herrera-set-for-nycfc-move/

Think we'll also let him play in the U20 WC? Then we'd be losing Lewis and Yangel.

 

[joe]

Not that I've been told.

Cabinet posts are for sale, green cards should be easy.

 

[Kjbert]

Cheers, I'm pissed because AS published their story a few minutes before I did. I could have scooped everyone! lol

Self aggrandizement aside, this seems like a good move. Vieira wants to finalize his team ASAP, and there's a good chance we'll hear news on Mix's fate soon.

My understanding was by COB tomorrow. Don't know if you've heard differently.

 

[sbrylski]

Prediction: Yangel will start over Badji by midseason. But neither will be great.

 

[LionNYC]

Prediction: Yangel will start over Badji by midseason. But neither will be great.

Until Khedira comes...

 

[LionNYC]

and there's a good chance we'll hear news on Mix's fate soon.

Patricof heading to the bank tomorrow to transfer that $1.5M+ buyout

 

[Fantazma]

Cheers, I'm pissed because AS published their story a few minutes before I did. I could have scooped everyone! lol

Self aggrandizement aside, this seems like a good move. Vieira wants to finalize his team ASAP, and there's a good chance we'll hear news on Mix's fate soon.

eh its fine people still go to for the scoop....plus i saw is under AS international twitter not their main one.

Think we'll also let him play in the U20 WC? Then we'd be losing Lewis and Yangel.

maybe but have to qualify first. first game was a draw ....final round goes until Feb 11th

 

[LionNYC]

If Vieira wants to finalize our roster before heading to Tuscon, I wonder if the club will be able to finalize contracts with our SuperDraft picks (excluding Lewis who is already signed on a GA contract) and our trialists if we're signing any...

 

[joe]

If Vieira wants to finalize our roster before heading to Tuscon, I wonder if the club will be able to finalize contracts with our SuperDraft picks (excluding Lewis who is already signed on a GA contract) and our trialists if we're signing any...

There are several people listed on the team's roster page that aren't on the league transaction page

 

[JayH]

Maybe the plan is to see whether we can construct a defensive midfield and safety valve for Pirlo with the various pieces we are signing without a big name DP (or only a temporary DP) so that we can determine where to spend the real DP money this summer when the true big guns become available. If it looks like we are all set behind midfield, then you can go big on a stud striker or attacking MF at DP. If we have not fixed our CDM woes then the big money goes in on Sami or that mold. Though given some of the recent chatter of failed signings, this may actually just become the fall back plan by default. There are pros and cons with this, but it may not be a bad plan (or default plan) given the massive difference in value between the two windows.

 

[Viewfrom226]

Maybe the plan is to see whether we can construct a defensive midfield and safety valve for Pirlo with the various pieces we are signing without a big name DP (or only a temporary DP) so that we can determine where to spend the real DP money this summer when the true big guns become available. If it looks like we are all set behind midfield, then you can go big on a stud striker or attacking MF at DP. If we have not fixed our CDM woes then the big money goes in on Sami or that mold. Though given some of the recent chatter of failed signings, this may actually just become the fall back plan by default. There are pros and cons with this, but it may not be a bad plan (or default plan) given the massive difference in value between the two windows.

This has personally been my preference for a while. If you are not counting on your CDM to be a real offensive creator because you have Pirlo, I'm not sure you need a DP level guy to do that job. Earlier in the winter, I had several discussions with people about filling the CDM slot with a functional guy and then spending the $$ on a winger. I still would still probably go that route (unless they genuinely believe Lewis steps right in and has a Jack level impact from day one), but your suggestion that they've set themselves up to have options depending on how the assortment of unknowns that we've collected goes is interesting.

 

[Gotham Gator]

NYCFC Depth Chart

Depth Chart
Forward/Winger: Villa, Shelton, Okoli
Winger/Attacking Mid: McNamara, Harrison, Camargo, Lewis
Central Mid: Pirlo, Ring, Herrera, Badji, Lopez, [Mix?]
Left Back: Matarrita
Center Back: Chanot, Brillant, Callens, White, [Brandt?]
Right Back: Allen, Gomez
Goalkeeper: Johnson, Johansen, Rawls

Unsigned Draft Picks: K. Awuah (M), M. Degraffenriedt (D), J. Brown (F), C. Wingate (M)
Trialists: B. Sweat (D), M. Farfan (M), J. Stertzer (M), R. Louima (F)

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We have 22 players, including Herrera and Badji, but excluding: Mix and Brandt, the unsigned draft picks and the trialists.

 

[Ulrich]

Maybe the plan is to see whether we can construct a defensive midfield and safety valve for Pirlo with the various pieces we are signing without a big name DP (or only a temporary DP) so that we can determine where to spend the real DP money this summer when the true big guns become available. If it looks like we are all set behind midfield, then you can go big on a stud striker or attacking MF at DP. If we have not fixed our CDM woes then the big money goes in on Sami or that mold. Though given some of the recent chatter of failed signings, this may actually just become the fall back plan by default. There are pros and cons with this, but it may not be a bad plan (or default plan) given the massive difference in value between the two windows.

A very good hypothesis! And if it works out where we can use the DP on another position, then that's great!

The biggest problem I see with it (the strategy, not your hypothesis) is that if these players cannot support the midfield effectively resulting in a DP like Khedira having to besigned, then we have really just sunk a whole shit-ton of $$ into that one singular position. That would be worse than having a single high priced player sitting in street clothes during games.

 

[Seth]

That would be worse than having a single high priced player sitting in street clothes during games.

That is just such a preposterous example that I can't believe you would even consider such a thing. Something like that would just never be allowed to happen.

 

[Gotham Gator]

This has personally been my preference for a while. If you are not counting on your CDM to be a real offensive creator because you have Pirlo, I'm not sure you need a DP level guy to do that job. Earlier in the winter, I had several discussions with people about filling the CDM slot with a functional guy and then spending the $$ on a winger. I still would still probably go that route (unless they genuinely believe Lewis steps right in and has a Jack level impact from day one), but your suggestion that they've set themselves up to have options depending on how the assortment of unknowns that we've collected goes is interesting.

I think some of this depends upon what you think our biggest problems were from last season that need fixing.

To me, one is creating a midfield that can successfully transition the ball from the defenders forward when we are playing out of the back. We need to keep possession, and we can't be turning it over in our own end. Another is a solid defensive mid that can shield the back line - especially when the other team is breaking after a turnover. Both of those things scream for a really good CDM. Maybe we can get one using TAM, but a DP could really get the job done.