2017 Roster Discussion

I would be shocked if we weren't playing a 4-3-3 next year. Harrison is versatile and could play almost anywhere offensively. He will eventually be the focal point of your midfield. Doesn't mean it has to happen this season.


Ok so one wing is Harrison. Villa up top, Pirlo middle.

Due to marketing and impact concerns any DP is going to play either midfield or forward.

We have GAM/TAM thank you ma'am, enough for a 500k-700k player, this guy should be a difference maker, but realistically won't be the spark in the team that a DP is.

Let's look at this logically.

1. CFG would like to have Jersey sales and butts in seats over average of a DP be enough to at least partially cover their league leading salary. This means older well known player.

2. The Yankee/CFG style is to win championships. Upper management would find it intolerable to have RB win a championship before we do. Anymore remember what the last chant of the season and the last chant of the post season was? I do, and the entire management team was there to hear it too, including the guys up the chain from Reyna. There is a branding requirement to be better than NJRB, it's basically how NYCFC management have positioned their brand. This means younger player with his legs still good.

3. On the part of us fans there is almost a reflexive terror about our defense.

The J. Garrett Lieb hot take is the following.

1. Keisuke Honda fulfills 1 well enough and 2 well enough. Perfect for neither, but he goes well with the club's stated desire to make the team younger.

1a. Ceteris paribus the club would prefer to have the player here for the full season, it takes about half a season for a foreigner to really "get" MLS. They need time to tell with the team and get used to the fact that our players will not be making the kinds of passes and runs they are accustomed to.

1b I can see various elements of the club pushing both ways in terms of wait for player or get player in the Jan window. Personally I think it's best for the team, and our standings, if we can have that player here for spring training. Games won in march and April do not have to be won in August and September. Also a winning team has more fans in their seats.

2. Assuming Harrison and Pirlo midfield in our preferred 4-3-3 we are left with one spot, the question being to DP or not to DP. I believe the answer is not to DP. But rather get a good younger player at the higher end of my discussed pay scale who can teach Harrison a bit about the wings and help run down the RedBulls midfield/move the ball forwards. Or same pay scale but in Iraola's DM position. Of the two it's probably going to be a good DM to cover our backline.

3. Backline trauma is real, Brillant/Chanot aka the maginot line, are a good CB duo, they just need time, but having a good DM means we can probably get our GAA down to where we're in the top half of the league.

4. Villa gets cold occasionally. Having Frank around when Villa was cold saved our collective asses, the reason we're probably targeting a foreword DP is that we cannot afford a cold Villa with no one else to pick up the slack, we won't win and we won't score.

5. As much as I like Iraola I think the best thing we can do as a team is let him go, or have him on the bench just in case our preferred DM goes down, he's lost too much pace to compete, regardless of whether he is more technically skilled than most of the league (he is).


So yeah, my bet is when Mix is gone we acquire a DM GAM player, and a DP foreword of some variety.

Or I'm completely wrong and the order of the day is dominate the midfield and we go with a DP mod in his late 20'a early 30's. And some 6'4 freak of a GAM player who's job is to put head in front of goal and wait for ball from Pirlo.
 
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And thus we witness the final unwinding of the Kreis legacy, more midfielders that we could ever hope to play.

Big question for me is what strategy are we targeting? It has to be one built around Pirlo, so what does that look like?

Would a 4-4-2 be out of the question if we get a DP target man up front? Or is the 4-3-3 the city way across all of the teams?

Someone who's better connected than I am said that the team saw Jack Harrison as a CM. Where does that put our greatest weaknesses? And if the team wants to play Pirlo with Jack at CM doesn't that almost force us into a 4-4-2?

Edit: I almost want to discount a 3-5-3. I don't think we have the players defensively to hold the line, and players offensively to win back the ball right goddamn now that that formation would require.
You should discount ever playing a 3-5-3.
 
CFG will stick us with Fernandinho. Though, honestly, Navas would likely be cheaper.

Gaël Clichy could also be available on a free, which solves the problem of how to move Matarrita more central / upfield.

Ever so slightly more seriously, Daniele de Rossi may also be available on a free, and we do need a legit CDM.

Not so seriously, Pepe's contract is expiring, too. He's 33, but we could get a couple of seasons out of a CB who might eat many MLS forwards for lunch.

What's the likelihood that Bayern won't re-sign Franck Ribèry?
 
I'd be okay with Mata in a LM spot but I'm not sure what everyone sees in him that indicates he can play centrally? His primary skills are beating people up and down the sideline with speed, cutting inside behind the defense and then receiving the ball, and crossing balls in from the wing. For those suggesting he move inside when have you seen him do any of the following:

1. Beat a defender 1:1 off the dribble
2. Demonstrate skilled passing that's not a cross into the box or a 1-2 pass along the side line
3. Consistently place accurate shots on goal with pace
 
Fernandinho makes a ton of sense. There are 5 or 6 guys at MCFC guys available on frees this summer.

I don't know Pep seems to like Fernandinho he's leading the team in min, starts and games played. Maybe we see him some day but doesn't seem like it will be this up coming season.

CFG will stick us with Fernandinho. Though, honestly, Navas would likely be cheaper.

I wonder if Navas is over his home sickness issues, he was reluctant to move to England because it was too far from home, unless things have changed I can't image him crossing an ocean.

If we're going for a 30+ year old Spaniard on a free I think I'd rather roll the dice with Santi. Swap him in for Lamps, we loose Lampard's knack for goals but we pick up more defense and another link up, possession type player to help move the ball through the midfield.
 
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Matarrita only makes sense in the midfield if we are doing a 3-4-3 or a 3-5-2. I suppose he could play up front in a 4-3-3 (as he has done), but I actually think he is very good as a LB in a 4-3-3, notwithstanding some growing pains late in the season.

Assuming we are looking to get (a) one top notch DP and (b) one solid TAM/GAM/ThankYouMa'am type player, my bet (and my preference) are as follows. The DP is a younger (25-29) box-to-box midfield type to support Pirlo and Harrison/McNamara in the midfield. This is where we need the most help and could most use a first rate star. The GAM guy is a winger - either left side or right OR a target forward, which allows Villa to slide left.

Anyone who follows global football better than me have a great idea for the midfield DP?
 
CFG will stick us with Fernandinho. Though, honestly, Navas would likely be cheaper.

Gaël Clichy could also be available on a free, which solves the problem of how to move Matarrita more central / upfield.

Ever so slightly more seriously, Daniele de Rossi may also be available on a free, and we do need a legit CDM.

Not so seriously, Pepe's contract is expiring, too. He's 33, but we could get a couple of seasons out of a CB who might eat many MLS forwards for lunch.

What's the likelihood that Bayern won't re-sign Franck Ribèry?
Mr Keith Putnam Keith Putnam Daniele de Rossi HOLY CRAP !! This Would Blow my Andrea loving mind ! NickA can you see this happening ?

WELL PEOPLE I Will inform this Forum that Mr De Rossi is said to have property in upstate NY and has expressed his wishes to come over in interviews. Andrea would be Over The Fkn Moon for this !! TRUST ME when I say He'd be a different player ! You People have no idea what this would do for Andrea! He'd have his Best Buddy and make the girlfriend happy ! Shit Finally all the Stars would align themselves in Andrea's world !!

This would be a nice little band aid for the Team but not solve it's problem long term ! So Boss aka NYCFC_Dan NYCFC_Dan could you and other's on this Jury I mean forum take 2 Italians ??
 
Mr Keith Putnam Keith Putnam Daniele de Rossi HOLY CRAP !! This Would Blow my Andrea loving mind ! NickA can you see this happening ?

WELL PEOPLE I Will inform this Forum that Mr De Rossi is said to have property in upstate NY and has expressed his wishes to come over in interviews. Andrea would be Over The Fkn Moon for this !! TRUST ME when I say He'd be a different player ! You People have no idea what this would do for Andrea! He'd have his Best Buddy and make the girlfriend happy ! Shit Finally all the Stars would align themselves in Andrea's world !!

This would be a nice little band aid for the Team but not solve it's problem long term ! So Boss aka NYCFC_Dan NYCFC_Dan could you and other's on this Jury I mean forum take 2 Italians ??
I can assure you no one here, myself included, cares one by what a players nationality is ;)