2017 Roster Discussion

Oh hey, they changed it again!

It is possible to buy down Maxi Moralez because MLS also removed the section stating that you couldn't use both GAM and TAM to buy down a player below the salary budget charge. So clubs can combine both types of cap relief in one deal. Until this year clubs could not do this.

Since Maxi is on $2mm and the budget charge we subtract $480k (the maximum budget charge) we get $1.52mm in salary to buy down.

Since we received TAMof $1.2mm we only need 320k in GAM to buy down Maxi to the limit, which we definitely received because of expansion year shenanigans. Add in the rumored sale of Matarita and its completely doable without hilariously distorting our salary cap.

Edit: I was incorrect they changed the parameters of the buy down to a max of $1.5mm Maxi is our DP for the year. Unless weird Garber intervention occurs.

Wouldn't the buy down be prorated to 50% if we use it this summer to get to the end of the season. Then he's a DP again.
 
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Wouldn't the buy down be prorated to 50% if we use it this summer to get to the end of the season. Then he's a DP again.

He wouldn't be signing a new contract so there's nothing to prorate. The only way this might work is if we paid some money for him and decided to bring all of that transfer fee forwards to year 1, which is allowable; for example Chanot.

On the other hand there is a genuine disconnect between actual salary/cap numbers and what the players union puts out, that's been said in the media enough times.

Of course its not unknown for MLS to change the rules at the drop of a hat, so its still possible that we can buy Maxi down, its just not likely.
 
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Oh hey, they changed it again!

It is possible to buy down Maxi Moralez because MLS also removed the section stating that you couldn't use both GAM and TAM to buy down a player below the salary budget charge. So clubs can combine both types of cap relief in one deal. Until this year clubs could not do this.

Since Maxi is on $2mm and the budget charge we subtract $480k (the maximum budget charge) we get $1.52mm in salary to buy down.

Since we received TAMof $1.2mm we only need 320k in GAM to buy down Maxi to the limit, which we definitely received because of expansion year shenanigans. Add in the rumored sale of Matarita and its completely doable without hilariously distorting our salary cap.

Edit: I was incorrect they changed the parameters of the buy down to a max of $1.5mm Maxi is our DP for the year. Unless weird Garber intervention occurs.

Where are you seeing this $1.5 million?

And the prohibition on using GAM and TAM on the same player is still in my link, so I don't think that's gone either.
 
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If a big player such as Zlatan, or anyone else the club wants to pursue, comes along this summer, we could also loan a DP, such as Maxi, out. TFC did this a few years ago when they signed Bradley, Jozi and Giovinco leaving Gilberto as the odd man out. He was loaned out to VdG in Brazil. Not exactly sure what happened but after he loan he was waived by TFC and picked up off waivers by Chicago. How all this works out under the cap, I have no idea, but having 3 dp's under contract does not necessarily preclude us from bringing in a higher profile DP. We have options that other than outright transferring or otherwise terminating a DP's contract.
http://www.chicagonow.com/fire-confidential/2015/07/fire-acquire-tfc-forward-gilberto/
 
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That's fair. I'm coming off harsher than I intend here to hopeful speculation. I'm instead thinking about some discussions where it seemed to be considered a given that we would buy MM down and we would get a new DP this summer: the only issue being who and how awesome.
I mean, I was one of those people. Because I didn't think there was any way in hell a club with our resources in our situation would burn a full long term DP slot on a player like Moralez.

So while I am apparently an hopeful damned idiot, it's for an entirely different reason: presuming competence among a single son of a bitch who is paid to make decisions for this shitshow masquerading as a football club's front office.
 
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Well, I didn't attack you but I'm still happy he's "my" DP. He's really good, really fast, knows the game better than almost anyone, and it's only the beginning of his time here. I would not be at all surprised if he's a star in MLS after a time and that's what I'm hoping for.

Kind of feel similarly about Pirlo. Have no problem with him playing for us this year. He's super popular, he can still play, and at some point the rest of our team will take it up a notch so the defenders won't be able to double-team him so much and he'll get free again to do his thing. So I'm fine with him here for the year. Not so sure if he'll still be able to do it next year though but we can talk about that in October.

Still optimistic about our season despite the loss this past weekend.
Fart noise. I like you. But you're consistently super sunshine-y, so I must discount your credibility or the credence I give it commensurately.
 
Hopefully, we can still sign a "big" DP this summer. Odds are, most "big" DP's would be a summer transfer as opposed to winter. This means we'll have to be creative with salary for half the year(partial payments, TAM buy down) until Pirlo leaves at the end of the year. Have to be lucky enough to find a player willing to accept those terms as well......
I mean, I was one of those people. Because I didn't think there was any way in hell a club with our resources in our situation would burn a full long term DP slot on a player like Moralez.

So while I am apparently an hopeful damned idiot, it's for an entirely different reason: presuming competence among a single son of a bitch who is paid to make decisions for this shitshow masquerading as a football club's front office.
like I said in a later post, I just never presumed that level of capability in our FO.
 
Your quote does make it seem plausible that Maxi is precisely intended to be a buy down. Of course, I'm tired at this moment and burdened by real word problems and having read lots of stupid shit thus far. But combining the various posts that aren't prima facie full of shit, it would seem we could still grab another DP slot.

For all we know, there's a max GAM deal already agreed to to sell Mata. And Jack, for that matter. Which, I again say, I'll fucking turn in my tickets if it happens.
 
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Where are you seeing this $1.5 million?

And the prohibition on using GAM and TAM on the same player is still in my link, so I don't think that's gone either.
Its in the salary parameters section. Buts its 1.5 only if the player is being bought down during a secondary transfer window.

"A Player must earn more than $480,625 per year (2017 maximum budget charge) to qualify for Targeted Allocation Money. The compensation ceiling for such players is set at $1,000,000 per year, except as follows: if a Designated Player is converted to a non-Designated Player through the use of Targeted Allocation Money during the Secondary Transfer Window, that player may earn a maximum of $1,500,000 on a prorated basis."

Of course if its prorated over the life of the total contract, 3 years, and we're paying the full transfer fee this year, its possible that we can still get a third DP. But that doesn't seem to be a likely read on the situation.
 
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Its in the salary parameters section. Buts its 1.5 only if the player is being bought down during a secondary transfer window.

"A Player must earn more than $480,625 per year (2017 maximum budget charge) to qualify for Targeted Allocation Money. The compensation ceiling for such players is set at $1,000,000 per year, except as follows: if a Designated Player is converted to a non-Designated Player through the use of Targeted Allocation Money during the Secondary Transfer Window, that player may earn a maximum of $1,500,000 on a prorated basis."

Of course if its prorated over the life of the total contract, 3 years, and we're paying the full transfer fee this year, its possible that we can still get a third DP. But that doesn't seem to be a likely read on the situation.

So the next question is, does MLS make the salary cap charge the average of each year's salary? For example, Maxi's making $2M this year. What if he's down to $1,500,000 next year and $1,000,00 the year after that?

If that's true, then his average cap hit per season is $1.5M, which puts him right in that spot where he can be bought down.

It's probably unlikely, but I wonder if that's possible. It only is if cap hits are via average salary vs. actual yearly salary.
 
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Yeah. The thing is, I'm far more hopeful than I get credit for around here. It's just that when I'm negative, I'm 99.9% right. And when I'm right, I gloat. And message boards aren't great for subtlety.
Yeah, but you're a Charlie Brown optimist. Against your better judgment you run to kick the football knowing it will be pulled away.
 
Forget about GAM and TAM and Maxi - do any of us honestly believe that this team can win MLS Cup without another impact player? I sure as hell don't.

They brought up Chelsea losing an assistant coach after the match yesterday.
 
Forget about GAM and TAM and Maxi - do any of us honestly believe that this team can win MLS Cup without another impact player? I sure as hell don't.

They brought up Chelsea losing an assistant coach after the match yesterday.

No I don't. I think were going to see a repeat of last year in terms of post season performance. We will get to the playoffs and probably get to the second round, at best.

Our next 5-6mm player needs to be a serious impact player if we cant a shot at winning the cup while Villa is still playing for the team. But I honestly don't think we're going to win it while Pirlo is here, and probably not while villa is here. Though Villa will likely be the first NYCFC player with 100 appearances for the club.
 
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That changed. There is no longer any clause specifically restricting the use of GAM and TAM on the same player.

Targeted Allocation Money and General Allocation Money may not be used in combination when signing or re-signing a player. Either Targeted Allocation Money or General Allocation Money may be used on a player in a single season, not both.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/league/official-rules/mls-roster-rules-and-regulations#allocation-money
 
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