2018 Roster Discussion

Sorry, that was a little tongue-in-cheek and came off more acerbic than I meant it to.


Less snarky response with a hazy timeline from a self-described "casual City fan". Man City in 2017-18:
  • 4-1-4-1 with a bit of 3-5-2. Presumably a little bit of an experiment plus trying to make room for Aguero and Jesus.
  • Mendy gets injured. Jesus / Aguero injuries here and there.
  • Playing a solid 4-1-4-1 now. Delph becomes a CDM on attack but Walker continues to fly up the pitch. Silva and De Bruyne as twin 8-10s with a license to underlap. I'd say this was their style of play for 70% of the season.
  • Late-season wobbles. Loss to Man United sandwiched by losses to Liverpool in the CL.
  • Pep rolls out an occasional 4-4-2 when he's finding it hard to get the ball moving quickly enough to penetrate against teams that park the bus. This basically means throwing Sterling in the middle to confuse defenders who have been contending with a solo striker, and hitting teams on the counter-attack.
There are probably more engaged City fans who will tear that to shreds^, but that's what I saw.

I think our roster feels pretty similar to City's in 17-18. Startlingly similar, actually. For Mendy, who is a really attacking left back who dealt with injury issues, we have Matarrita, who is a really attacking left back who dealt with injury issues. Sweat is maybe more of a Delph, in that he looks slightly more confident / less-shit when he's not being asked to overlap and consistently swing in good crosses. Ring is our answer to Fernandinho, in that our entire system falls apart if he can't play. Neither City or we have a right back who can tuck in and play centrally like Delph. Villa is Aguero. Berget was supposed to be Jesus. City have Sterling, Sane, Bernardo Silva as wingers and Gundogan, David Silva and De Bruyne as playmakers. We have Isi, Medina, Lewis and Wallace.

Focusing on where I think we need to improve:
  • Figure out a less injury-prone left back / wing back situation.
  • Find legit back-up for Ring. Maybe this is Sands?
  • Coach Saad and / or Scally to play as an inverted full back / CDM. I think Tinny is too old to learn the on-the-ball awareness for this position, and we can't afford 4 RBs.
  • Find our version of De Bruyne. Herrera is physical enough but not good enough with the ball. Ofori not yet dominating enough, may never. Isi could do the offensive work there but I don't think he has a box-to-box engine. I don't know if we will ever be City-level dominant until we can find a player who can do it all from the middle of the park. Maxi is probably more our David Silva equivalent.
  • Find a successor for Villa who can fill a different position across the front 5 while Villa is still around and producing.
So after your sass, I found some stuff to watch today after work. Not surprising the amount of overlap in tactics. This was the playlist I found no clue if accurate:


  • The only really big difference seems like we run overlapping rather than inverted fullbacks.
  • Villa seems like the perfect player for these tactics as a False 9 or whether out on the wing.
  • I will preemptively groan for all future people bitching and moaning about Maxi not playing the 10 and interchanging with the other midfield positions.
  • I don't know if Ofori fits the 8-10 model, but he might fit the left inverted fullback role better than Mataritta or Sweat. Might be better than where we have been playing him currently, but our lack of depth probably prevents that. I don't trust either Mata or Sweat to be able to play intelligently centrally. This is probably a position someone like Fuchs could play well?
  • I think we need more midfield depth. I think Maxi plays a great 8-10, but we need another quality midfielder next to him. There's no one that can play the single pivot except Ring right now, and he seems like the ideal Pep 6. Maybe Sands gets some run but we need another vet. I have a troubling feeling Ring is going to go to a higher league sooner than later.
Edit: Even taking a look at Pep's practices. Looks very similar of ours on the Inside Training videos. I don't think the transition is going to be that bumby at all.
 
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So after your sass, I found some stuff to watch today after work. Not surprising the amount of overlap in tactics. This was the playlist I found no clue if accurate:


  • The only really big difference seems like we run overlapping rather than inverted fullbacks.
  • Villa seems like the perfect player for these tactics as a False 9 or whether out on the wing.
  • I will preemptively groan for all future people bitching and moaning about Maxi not playing the 10 and interchanging with the other midfield positions.
  • I don't know if Ofori fits the 8-10 model, but he might fit the left inverted fullback role better than Mataritta or Sweat. Might be better than where we have been playing him currently, but our lack of depth probably prevents that. I don't trust either Mata or Sweat to be able to play intelligently centrally. This is probably a position someone like Fuchs could play well?
  • I think we need more midfield depth. I think Maxi plays a great 8-10, but we need another quality midfielder next to him. There's no one that can play the single pivot except Ring right now, and he seems like the ideal Pep 6. Maybe Sands gets some run but we need another vet. I have a troubling feeling Ring is going to go to a higher league sooner than later.
I was thinking about Ofori for LB but he's not really all that quick or effective in the tackle.

The overlapping vs inverted full backs thing is huge because it allows you to play the two playmakers instead of more defensively constrained box to box midfielders. It also leaves you less susceptible to having your full backs far out of position if you turn the ball over deep in the opponent's half. In general the amount of ground that needs to be covered between attacking and defending phases is much smaller, which feels positionally advantageous.

Apart from that I think we are mostly on the same page. Interesting times.
 
Offensively, City ends up in some sort of a 2-2-3-3? Is that right?

2 CBS stay. Delph inverts alongside Fernandinho. Walker flies up the pitch with KDB and Silva. And the Front 3 play as a Front 3
 
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We should make a play for Daniel Podence. Switch him to a DP next year when we roll off one of the others. He can play the 2nd half of the season as a TAM guy.

Yeah, doesn't help our midfield, but who cares. He's free right now.
 
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That doesn’t quite do it justice, I don’t think.

It is really crazy also because they didn't do particularly bad in league play. They finished 3rd, and considering Portugal also has Benfica and Porto, it is a perfectly acceptable result. Eliminated by Atletico Madrid in European competition, also expected. But now the president has alienated the whole team, and the ultras have attacked them physically, and that's it, the club where Ronaldo and many other greats started is on the verge of imploding big time.
 
Out of NYCFC’s 200 goals, 1 was an owngoal. That has to me among the worst owngoal/total goal ratio in the league.

Some could be explained by our style of play, we don't send a lot of long passes or crosses into the box, but I agree still seems low.
 
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