Messi To Nycfc After A Stint At Mc

[EganSoccerWords]

Just for fun, let's say the Messi deal happens. How does he get to NYCFC? Loan him out to NYCFC in the Summer Transfer Window? Make an arrangement with MLS to screw whoever has Messi's discovery rights and just sign up after his Man City contract is up or on a $0 transfer?

 

[Ulrich]

Just for fun, let's say the Messi deal happens. How does he get to NYCFC? Loan him out to NYCFC in the Summer Transfer Window? Make an arrangement with MLS to screw whoever has Messi's discovery rights and just sign up after his Man City contract is up or on a $0 transfer?

His transfer price doesn't matter since he'd be a DP.

Discovery rights revert to zero every year and a new list is submitted. He'd definitely be on NYCFC's if MLS required them to do so for the formality of it. And the chance of another team being screwed over is zero - Messi already would have a contract in place with CFG, so if another team wanted to claim Discovery then CFG could say "fine, pay a transfer of $400M - ok, since you won't then we'll just transfer him to NYCFC."

 

[whill4]

He's good. But can he do it on a cold and rainy night in Columbus?

 

[Falastur]

Just for fun, let's say the Messi deal happens. How does he get to NYCFC? Loan him out to NYCFC in the Summer Transfer Window? Make an arrangement with MLS to screw whoever has Messi's discovery rights and just sign up after his Man City contract is up or on a $0 transfer?

If you can believe the article, what would happen is that CFG and Messi would have a gentleman's agreement (or maybe some legally binding, who knows?) saying that he plays for MCFC for X number of years and once his contract ends he agrees to accept a contract with NYCFC rather than offering his services elsewhere. Once he serves that contract too, he becomes free to retire, go somewhere else or become a free agent.

 

[mgarbowski]

If you can believe the article, what would happen is that CFG and Messi would have a gentleman's agreement (or maybe some legally binding, who knows?) saying that he plays for MCFC for X number of years and once his contract ends he agrees to accept a contract with NYCFC rather than offering his services elsewhere. Once he serves that contract too, he becomes free to retire, go somewhere else or become a free agent.

As best as we can tell, that's a variant of the deal CFG actually signed with Lampard in July 2014. While we were told he signed with NYCFC, in fact, he signed with MCFC and there was an agreement, most likely formally with CFG, possibly informally, that he sign with NYCFC when he finished there. So I think that part of the story -- the structure of the supposed deal -- is completely plausible. I still think as a whole it is completely made up, but whoever made it up used the Lampard deal as a model, absent the deception.

 

[northernburbs]

Just for fun, let's say the Messi deal happens. How does he get to NYCFC? Loan him out to NYCFC in the Summer Transfer Window? Make an arrangement with MLS to screw whoever has Messi's discovery rights and just sign up after his Man City contract is up or on a $0 transfer?

Teams only get screwed over if its your team.
If its in your teams favor its a shrewd business move.

 

[FirstTeamer]

The new PL TV deal is 'only' worth an extra $60m to each of the teams in the league. It will increase Man City's revenue to about $600m but the figures they're talking about here would be impossible under FFP. No team could spend more than their annual revenue on a single player.

Amortization: if they signed him for 300m on a 5 year deal then only 60m of that would count towards the current years books. You don't count the total value of the deal all at once. And the figures quoted surely are including wages as well as transfer fee. MCFC currently have a bonus incentive structure meaning the more they win, the more they earn. IIRC, the bonuses do not count towards FFP. Make no mistake, FFP is no longer a concern for MCFC

Also, the new TV deal earns each club an average of $120M/season, meaning MCFC will get more than that since they are a top4 club. And that's just tv money. Add in sponsorships & factor in the £200M Chinese investment and money isn't an issue

 

[FirstTeamer]

I believe that they can spend as much money as they want as long as they don't saddle the club with debt. If the Sheikh himself wants to write a check, donate it to the club and that covers the cost of Messi, he can do that. That was the easing of FFP last year.

Incorrect. Can't just do that. That's the heart of FFP, as unfair as it may be. Irrelevant anyway, as MCFCs goal was to always be self sustaining, which they now are

 

[NYCFC_Ajax]

Am I the only person that doesn't want to see NYCFC become a club just like man city? I mean we need to be our own club not let city lend and buy players for us!

 

[northernburbs]

Am I the only person that doesn't want to see NYCFC become a club just like man city? I mean we need to be our own club not let city lend and buy players for us!

I grew up a Yankee fan so for me (with the exception of Clemens who I still think is a dick) I don't care who we get as long as we win.

 

[Kjbert]

Incorrect. Can't just do that. That's the heart of FFP, as unfair as it may be. Irrelevant anyway, as MCFCs goal was to always be self sustaining, which they now are

No. There was an easing of FFP last year.

 

[NYdoesitEZ]

Am I the only person that doesn't want to see NYCFC become a club just like man city? I mean we need to be our own club not let city lend and buy players for us!

If remaining a British colony had meant we would have all been richer and more prosperous, we would have chosen that road. It so happens that autonomy was the more prosperous route with a direct causation relationship. In this case, most would agree being affiliated is the more prosperous route at least for the time being. If one day that situation changes our view will change too. #prosperitylivesmatter #independencedontmatterfornow

 

[NYCFC_Ajax]

lol

I grew up a Yankee fan so for me (with the exception of Clemens who I still think is a dick) I don't care who we get as long as we win.

 

[NYCFC_Ajax]

If remaining a British colony had meant we would have all been richer and more prosperous, we would have chosen that road. It so happens that autonomy was the more prosperous route with a direct causation relationship. In this case, most would agree being affiliated is the more prosperous route at least for the time being. If one day that situation changes our view will change too. #prosperitylivesmatter #independencedontmatterfornow

So kinda like using city for now and dumping them in the future XD

 

[FirstTeamer]

No. There was an easing of FFP last year.

Not gonna argue this but an owner cannot simply wrote a blank check. FFP may have been eased but it hasn't disappeared. Spending rules still have to be followed.

 

[Kjbert]

I believe the easing has to do with capital outlays, but not salaries.

 

[Gotham Gator]

If Messi ever came here, it would be on a DP contract, for sure, which means there is no reason to worry about crazy machinations involving how to structure his contract and transfer from MC. No matter what the setup would be, he would count the league maximum against our salary cap and take up a DP slot (and be well worth it).

 

[NYdoesitEZ]

If Messi ever came here, it would be on a DP contract, for sure, which means there is no reason to worry about crazy machinations involving how to structure his contract and transfer from MC. No matter what the setup would be, he would count the league maximum against our salary cap and take up a DP slot (and be well worth it).

barring, god forbid, any jarring/crippling injuries

 

[Falastur]

No. There was an easing of FFP last year.

Technically, UEFA's newly-relaxed rules do not exempt other clubs from the break-even requirements - they just allow clubs to apply for exemption, with the implied suggestion that the majority of requests will be granted.

That said, UEFA's "eased" rules had the caveat that any club which has been previously punished for breaking FFPR is permanently banned from requesting exemption, and thus remains under the old break-even requirements forever. Since MCFC had previously been punished, they therefore are one of about 12 clubs in the whole of Europe which are required to adhere to the full force of FFPR without hope of reprieve.

Either way, it does little to fight the suggestion that FFPR was brought in specifically to target certain clubs...but that's beside the point for this discussion.

 

[SoupInNYC]

If Messi ever came here, it would be on a DP contract, for sure, which means there is no reason to worry about crazy machinations involving how to structure his contract and transfer from MC. No matter what the setup would be, he would count the league maximum against our salary cap and take up a DP slot (and be well worth it).

I think if this is going to happen, NYCFC should keep all 3 DP spots full when Messi comes over. No way MLS would block a Messi move to NYCFC because we had all 3 DP slots full. They would open up a 4th.