Ronny Deila Named NYCFC Head Coach / Deila Joins Standard Liège
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i dont know if he goes to Belgium? i know its probably step up from Norway but more than MLS? are they paying good money? i feel like if he wants to go back it will be something like France Portugal maybe even netherlands to a big team there. i know Standard is a big team in Belgium but they been struggling bad i think last couple of years. he would have to start from scratch ....again.
What more does he have to prove here?
Standard Liege is NOT a big club. It’s not a bigger club than NYCFC anymore.
But if he wants a new challenge and to be closer to family, then I understand it. But the man coached Celtic. He’s bigger than standard liege.
Standard Liege is NOT a big club. It’s not a bigger club than NYCFC anymore.
But if he wants a new challenge and to be closer to family, then I understand it. But the man coached Celtic. He’s bigger than standard liege.
its big in Belgium, Brugge, Anderlecht and Standard are the big three. honestly, not many knows who the fuck we are in the world though. if anything we are a man city B.
If you remove the anti MLS bias, NYCFC is a bigger club than any Belgian club at the moment.
15 years ago, the South American pipeline went through the Low Countries.
Now? MLS. World has changed.
money wise yes, other metrics...no. what is considered big though? seattle is not seen as a bigger team than belgian teams and they are more successful than us. we may "think" its bigger but to the rest its not.
Brugge and other teams play in champions/ europa league, the best play there, so its seen above MLS....even when the argentinian players come to MLS all the vibe in argentina is that he is "throwing his career away" and "just doing it for the money" ...instead of "trying to improve their skill and career" . this is why taty being sold for good money to europe is key to change the narrative, instead everyone thinks almiron's sale was a fluke. and then they bring in barco or kaku as an example of how MLS is not better than say even Belgium.
i dont blame players for coming here for their and their families financial benefit but its not seen as a "step up" than a top popular beligan team. the MLS is still seen as just a league that has $$$ thats it and mostly sends US players abroad.
Of course, there is perception and reality, with the former often lagging behind the latter.
Below are the 538 assessments for the teams in each league, based on the most recent available. The Belgian League is of slightly better quality than MLS overall, but with much less parity.
Below are the 538 assessments for the teams in each league, based on the most recent available. The Belgian League is of slightly better quality than MLS overall, but with much less parity.
Just wanted to comment on this part alone. I don't think Taty being sold will change the narrative.
We can't include Almiron here and then ignore Davies, Aaronson, Adams, Harrison, etc.
ETA: As
gbservis notes below, this was specific to South American players coming through MLS, so my response here isn't quite right.
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I don't think Davies, Aaronson, Adams, Harrison, etc. do anything to change the narrative for South America players that
Fantazma was talking about. Harrison is a bit of an anomaly being English but the other three would likely just be viewed as domestic players that came up with their domestic league and made it to Europe just as many South American players do with leagues in their home countries. If we want to be viewed as a desirable middle step we need more Almiron type moves to show that it's possible.Ahhh, that's my bad. I didn't realize this was specifically discussing South American players coming through MLS.I don't think Davies, Aaronson, Adams, Harrison, etc. do anything to change the narrative for South America players that
Yangel Herrera would fit the bill, however. I bet there are others that just aren't front of mind.
Also worth noting that MLS has been trying to establish itself as a stepping stone out of S. America for only a short time. Most of the best prospects are still developing in the league.
Also worth noting that MLS has been trying to establish itself as a stepping stone out of S. America for only a short time. Most of the best prospects are still developing in the league.
I also wonder if we can even say trying to establish themselves as a middle step for up-and-coming foreign players is something MLS as a whole is trying to do. Clearly, it's something NYCFC, Atlanta, and a few others try to do but I'm not sure it's universal at this point. Some of the teams with lower budgets don't really have the resources for the scouting or the transfer fees but even some of the big clubs typically favor other roster construction approaches that provide more stability. Seattle for example usually signs more midcareer established South American players and then keeps them as opposed to grabbing high potential young players that will move on if they reach their potential.
It will be interesting to see if one roster-building approach proves to ultimately be superior or if this mixed approach is here to stay.
I was thinking more of the U22 initiative that the league started last season. That's positioning the league as a stepping stone even if not all teams are positioned to take advantage.
Good point I had forgotten about the new roster rules. So we can say MLS as an entity would like to see more if it should be interesting to see what teams can leverage it successfully given the wild variability of scouting resources across the teams.
there is significantly more money in MLS than there is in Belgium. Clubs cost more. The stadiums are nicer. The wages are comparable, at higher at the bottom end I believe.
And again, we’re capturing the development pipeline.
there is more money and investment i dont debate that, but its still seen inferior to Belgium. im talking about the perception of the league. I mean Tajon Buchannan ( i know, hes canadian) went to belgium to further his development, he didnt go straight to a top league in europe from MLS. They see it as a stepping stone to a bigger team. ......did he take a step back in his career by going to brugge?
Consider the idea that soccer things in the US are newer and thus nicer and thus more money.
I'll come out and say it: That rumor doesn't make much sense. Vieira to Nice made sense -- France is a big league. Maybe this was put out by the Belgian team as a guy they want, and they haven't even seen whether Ronny wants to go yet. But why would Ronny want to go to Belgium? He's in a pretty good spot here.
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