Twitter Is Ablaze With Talk Of Frank Lampard, Too.

Danny Williams had awful luck

Cody Cropper on loan from Southampton would be fun.

Thought JA Brooks played great on Sunday once the rust wore off.
 
Kjbert said:
Question for the board - how many DIFFERENT UNIQUE whatever you want to call it fans will walk through the turnstyles for NYCFC's 17 home games next year? Let's say we average 20k a game for the season, totaling 340k in paid attendance throughout the year. Out of those 340k tickets, how many will be different people? 50k? 100k?
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We can´t even predict that yet..
 
Midas Mulligan said:
Alonso is probably the best destroyer in MLS. Some of their matches leave me believing he's their entire defense. He's ridiculously fast and has an unbelievable work rate on both sides.

He would be great, but I don't think we'll have a chance to get him, as we don't have anything to offer. I can't imagine Seattle wouldn't protect him during the draft.

I also don't know if he would count as an American or fill an international slot. He defected from Cuba after he had played a match for them. Otherwise, I believe he'd be on the US WC squad.

As for the 2012 Olympic cycle (now 23-24), they really got burned by Sean Johnson crashing them out of qualifying. It killed the upward trajectory of guys like Mix, Agudelo, Boyd, etc. Most of them are just now getting their feet back under them as far as progressing. Olympics would have been their big shop window, and they all missed it despite having a lot of quality on that team.

Boyd would be a fun guy to have, but there's no way he wouldn't be a DP. The same goes for Agudelo.

I wonder how realistic it would be to try to buy someone like Duane Holmes from Huddersfield or even get a Marc Pelosi on loan from LFC. Marc is just now getting back from a serious injury, and at 18-19 yrs old, he's unlikely to step into a defensive/b2b role in their lineup any time soon.

Actually, now that I think about it, Danny Williams would be a hell of a guy in the destroyer role. He's another one that had some tough luck or would otherwise be an established Bundesliga starter. He definitely has the skill and athleticism to play that deep mf role. I love his motor.
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Is Williams the one who used to play for Hoffenheim, if so he would fit perfectly. A good pacey, destroyer to go with someone like Xavi/Lampard.
 
I mentioned Danny Williams in the Fantasy XI thread, He looks pretty decent from what I've seen and he may be available under the wage cap.

A midfield three of Lampard-Williams-Xavi feeding a strikeforce including David Villa would be frightening.
 
Kjbert said:
Good point. But if they were that good, for the most part, they would never see the US. They would be on loan to a mid-table EPL squad or sitting the bench for MCFC.
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Big debates about loaning last season in England. There could be advantages to playing full time in NY rather than playing for a lower league or first division team. Guidetti for example got no time at Stoke. A complete waste of time. He could have played a season in MLS and been better off. I think it's up to Soriano and Txiki to convince young MCFC players that playing in the MLS is a worthwhile step in their development.

I have been saying for years that the high % of foreign players in the EPL was not the problem - what was the problem was that young English talent wasn't marketed to foreign teams enough. There should be hundreds of early 20s English players all ove the workd playing because England has some fantastic academy production lines.... but no one exports :-) . Instead if a kid isn't good enough for City or Everton or Forest or whoever AT THE EXACT TIME that there's a need someone like that in the small marketplace that's English football then his football career is likely to end. (Sure there's Scotland, Wales and Ireland but still the market is tiny).

FIFA/UEFA should be helping get these professionally trained players (supply) out to where there's a need to improve (demand) in some low risk and protected manner. So in summary the MLS could be somewhere were promising kids go to prove their worth and everyone wins - including American academies if they buy into an open economy. Phew...tired fingers.
 
Kjbert said:
Good point. But if they were that good, for the most part, they would never see the US. They would be on loan to a mid-table EPL squad or sitting the bench for MCFC.
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If you look into the whole development at City and this "Holistic" approach that we have been introducing effectively and is now operating, you'll find that the club would rather loan out a player to NYCFC than say Everton.

Why?

Because NYCFC will effectively be playing the same system that MCFC play, with similar/same coaching methods, styles of play and this "Holistic" approach has been introduced right down from our First Team at MCFC to our Under 10's/12's and so on... Playing the same system allows for kids to progress up through the ages and eventually competing for positions in the First Team... after they have shown their worth in fully competitive football.
This can only be achieved at the moment through the loan system. but with this new approach, the Academy players will be loaned out across the pond and into competitive football... playing at clubs who play the same system as MCFC.

An example is at the moment Pellegrini will look at John Guidetti and find him on loan at Stoke, sat on the bench, and when he is played, playing in a completely different style of football with different tactics than he plays, so how can he judge whether he is ready for the First Team (which he coaches)

But with this new system, John Guidetti would be loaned out to NYCFC (or Melbourne) and played in a similar/same system as the first team at MCFC, and as the level of football isn't as high as the Premier League, someone like Guidetti would more likely to be given game time.
When Pellegrini has a look at Guidetti, he is able to assess him more and how he would work in his system... hence a better chance of eventually playing in the first team and or staying on at City.
 
Why Always Ste said:
If you look into the whole development at City and this "Holistic" approach that we have been introducing effectively and is now operating, you'll find that the club would rather loan out a player to NYCFC than say Everton.

Why?

Because NYCFC will effectively be playing the same system that MCFC play, with similar/same coaching methods, styles of play and this "Holistic" approach has been introduced right down from our First Team at MCFC to our Under 10's/12's and so on... Playing the same system allows for kids to progress up through the ages and eventually competing for positions in the First Team... after they have shown their worth in fully competitive football.
This can only be achieved at the moment through the loan system. but with this new approach, the Academy players will be loaned out across the pond and into competitive football... playing at clubs who play the same system as MCFC.

An example is at the moment Pellegrini will look at John Guidetti and find him on loan at Stoke, sat on the bench, and when he is played, playing in a completely different style of football with different tactics than he plays, so how can he judge whether he is ready for the First Team (which he coaches)

But with this new system, John Guidetti would be loaned out to NYCFC (or Melbourne) and played in a similar/same system as the first team at MCFC, and as the level of football isn't as high as the Premier League, someone like Guidetti would more likely to be given game time.
When Pellegrini has a look at Guidetti, he is able to assess him more and how he would work in his system... hence a better chance of eventually playing in the first team and or staying on at City.
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That´s a good point actually.. The advantage of having several clubs playing in the same style is that players even at academies are interchangeable
 
TonyM said:
Big debates about loaning last season in England. There could be advantages to playing full time in NY rather than playing for a lower league or first division team. Guidetti for example got no time at Stoke. A complete waste of time. He could have played a season in MLS and been better off. I think it's up to Soriano and Txiki to convince young MCFC players that playing in the MLS is a worthwhile step in their development.

I have been saying for years that the high % of foreign players in the EPL was not the problem - what was the problem was that young English talent wasn't marketed to foreign teams enough. There should be hundreds of early 20s English players all ove the workd playing because England has some fantastic academy production lines.... but no one exports :) . Instead if a kid isn't good enough for City or Everton or Forest or whoever AT THE EXACT TIME that there's a need someone like that in the small marketplace that's English football then his football career is likely to end. (Sure there's Scotland, Wales and Ireland but still the market is tiny).

FIFA/UEFA should be helping get these professionally trained players (supply) out to where there's a need to improve (demand) in some low risk and protected manner. So in summary the MLS could be somewhere were promising kids go to prove their worth and everyone wins - including American academies if they buy into an open economy. Phew...tired fingers.
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You have a point. It's tough for some of them. Look at a guy like Dom Dwyer who is quite dangerous playing in front of a good midfield at SKC. He was sort of left for dead by 18-19 over there. He came here, went to a junior college and remade himself through hard work. Now, he's still fairly young and really making a name for himself here.
 
kun said:
I mentioned Danny Williams in the Fantasy XI thread, He looks pretty decent from what I've seen and he may be available under the wage cap.

A midfield three of Lampard-Williams-Xavi feeding a strikeforce including David Villa would be frightening.
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Danny Williams still has 3 years left on his Reading contract. Even if he could be gotten for sub-DP wages, it would take a transfer fee to pry him from Reading. And transfer fees are amortized over the length of the new contract for salary cap purposes, and so it would be very difficult for him not to count as a DP.

That being said, yes, I agree, he would be a good defensive midfielder to have.
 
SteveMcSteve said:
Danny Williams still has 3 years left on his Reading contract. Even if he could be gotten for sub-DP wages, it would take a transfer fee to pry him from Reading. And transfer fees are amortized over the length of the new contract for salary cap purposes, and so it would be very difficult for him not to count as a DP.

That being said, yes, I agree, he would be a good defensive midfielder to have.
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Oh fair enough, didn't realize that.
I really think if the MLS wants to challenge the European leagues they need to relax/modify the wage cap system.
 
Midas Mulligan said:
You have a point. It's tough for some of them. Look at a guy like Dom Dwyer who is quite dangerous playing in front of a good midfield at SKC. He was sort of left for dead by 18-19 over there. He came here, went to a junior college and remade himself through hard work. Now, he's still fairly young and really making a name for himself here.
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Yep and he had to go to our second division and that's where he found his confidence and now he's lighting it up in the first division.
 
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