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2018 Roster Discussion
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Translated: this all follows agreed to logic except when accounting for intangibles, outlier data, externalities and anything else in meatspace that might render a purely objective analysis somewhat lacking.
I actually thought Amagat showed some poise in the midfield and was decent, but the red was bad.
He also had inside position on Royer to win the ball off the corner that led to their goal. Royer ran harder and pushed him aside, then Amagat left Royer open to serve BWP.
Disastrous debut.
I think there would be many examples of being beaten and pushed aside from tonight, but Amagat's is the only one to be remembered because it ended in a goal. After that, I'm not too sure what he should have done since it was basically, 3 RBs passing around him to set up the cross and he was in no-man's land.
No excuses for the red.
I’ll acknowledge I’m predisposed to find fault on him because I never liked this get.
Also Ibeagha and Ring had the other 2 guys.
I think he just made a mistake chasing the pass back out from Royer and probably didn't know that Tinny was there to put pressure on.
Hasn't gotten head around to see Tinny supporting.
Realizes here that he has help..
Tries to cut off passing lane..
Wide open Adams is passed to and then around..
I don't mean to come off as defending Amagat. He clearly was most at fault here. I just think he made an initial mistake that was compounded. I think that's one of those things that happens sometimes (and possibly because he hasn't played in a while, not just for us, but even Girona) and not something that speaks volumes to his quality at all.
Gracious of you to point out it was Tinny not Ring w/o calling me out.
I grant your points about the play. I just don’t like him.
I thought it was Ring at first when I watched the replay, but didn't really notice it until later not so much by realizing it was Tinny, but realizing Ring was further back (see 3rd screenshot)
I think he had a hard time with the pace of the game. As Midas Mulligan said (paraphrasing), quality and speed are really different things. I'm worried that what looked like poise was his brain trying to figure out what all the blurry shapes were. Bad idea to bring him in for this match. But I'm not ready to write him off after one match either.
A little worried about Dome's player judgment. Seems a bit erratic. Ofori is so obviously not the guy you want as a wingback. Inverted left back sure, but he is very uncomfortable with the game in front of him and a line at his back. Giving Amagat his debut in a derby. Fingers crossed that Dome is just "working things out".
Regarding Ofori there, I think that was moreso Dome having previously decided the formation he wanted to run out against RB and sticking to it. I think that is where he wanted Matarrita, and when he became unavailable, he didn't budge and moved Ofori there. That's what I'm thinking happened, and I'm not necessarily saying it was a good decision.
Not sure if this belongs here (or maybe this discussion has already started elsewhere and I haven't caught up yet), but does anyone think the plan all along was for Berget to come on in the second half? Part of me thinks that Dome in the first half, wanted to play the long diagonal balls to the wings to stretch out the defense. And then in the start of the second after NJ makes their halftime tactical adjustments, bring on Berget and play long balls centrally, while NJ is worrying about the wingers receiving the ball on the outside.
I said to my friend that it looked to me like Dome was trying to do a bait-and-switch where we play one way in the first half (rather poorly, we did...) and then at half time completely switch it up... which we mostly did, but that might just have been because of the red card. It seems Dome is trying to make the most of the roster we have, but doesn't fully understand who is good in which positions yet. After an offseason of learning, I'm more confident he'll have a better understanding.
This is basically my read of his debut as well.
Why did he leave Royer? My guess is that it’s just the new guy not totally understanding his responsibilities in that moment. Which begs the question of why he was starting.
SoupInNYC is right that it was hard for him to know where he had help, and you're probably right that his newness meant he couldn't just intuit it from experience with the team. But it was at least possible that he had help on the other 2 guys while there obviously was nobody else on Royer. And when Royer passed the ball, Amagat followed it.
Not shown: Amagat doing a half jog to make up for his error. I think you can forgive making an error -- that will happen. I can't forgive making an error then not even trying to make up for it. Royer's cross wasn't great with absolutely zero pressure -- you put even a hint of urgency at him by charging and maybe its off enough that BWP can't make that beautiful header.
I've just seen too many aging Euros come to the league and just try to enjoy America, collect a paycheck, and run out a few times a summer without giving it their all so I'm skeptical/bitter.
I don't think that Amagat's issue. At least I hope not. I think it's more likely the other issue that some European players have coming here. The game here is less technical but players tend to compensate by playing faster and harder. I think Amagat was actually surprised that Royer got around him so quickly, helped by some legal pushing aside. Not sure if a skinny 33-year old who hasn't played in so long will be up to making the adjustment.
Tyler Adams seems like a total cnut but he made a great play there to force the 3 v 2 overload. Amagat essentially got picked off between 2. If he committed to Adams, Royer gets the same look. If he committed to Royer, Adams is free at the top of the box to create a chance. I dunno that I judge him too harshly for that.
It didn’t look to me like he was jogging or half-assing it. Maybe he’s slower than others and that’s a valid criticism IMO. I also don’t think if he even had the speed of Lewis that he would have been able to challenge Royer’s cross there after he was passed around
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