2018 Roster Discussion

He had one bad game -- I would hope a new signing gets more chances than that. Red Bulls are a very difficult team to make your debut against, so I'd like to see him get another chance. Don't give up on a guy after 41 minutes. That's needlessly and perhaps harmfully reactionary.

Mata to the bench wouldn't surprise me as long as Callens can play. If Callens is still out, then I don't think we have the personnel to keep Mata on the bench. Judging by the way SAS was used this season, I can't imagine a recall is coming. Both coaches seem to have no use for him.
I wouldn’t typically give up on a guy after 41 minutes, but he flunked the eye test being slow, timing off, misplaced passes, and unceremoniously received a red card for a reckless tackle. He also hadn’t played a meaningful match in two years. If we use the logic assigned to SAS, then the Girona boss(es) didn’t have a use for him and he was only “saved” because NYCFC was/is cheap with recent transfers and Dome is his buddy, so what part of that suggests he’s capable of playing at MLS’s speed of play? And my reaction is directly attributable to his harming the club vs RB.

I assume Callens will be available to play thus negating any need for Mata, but as we’ve seen in the past (and maybe it’s more because of PV than NYCFC), just because injuries would suggest sat players should be tapped for playing time, never say never with said player’s availability - Mix was never called in for meaningful matches once frozen out even though our midfield was decimated forcing Lopez to start. Maybe Dome has forgiven Mata for the Red card, and maybe he hasn’t. We’ll see with the Columbus match.

I think you’re reading too much in to SAS having no role to play. He needed minutes as much as anybody, hence the Loan and not a Sale.
 
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I wouldn’t typically give up on a guy after 41 minutes, but he flunked the eye test being slow, timing off, misplaced passes, and unceremoniously received a red card for a reckless tackle. He also hadn’t played a meaningful match in two years. If we use the logic assigned to SAS, then the Girona boss(es) didn’t have a use for him and he was only “saved” because NYCFC was/is cheap with recent transfers and Dome is his buddy, so what part of that suggests he’s capable of playing at MLS’s speed of play? And my reaction is directly attributable to his harming the club vs RB.
For some reason, my opinion of his play (outside the red card and the goal) was the exact opposite. While he didn't have incredible speed, he was able to handle the ball in tight spaces and connected well with Ring and Maxi IMO. I thought he generally looked more capable there than Ofori had.

That said, the red card was inexcusable, and his play leading up to the goal was not great either. And I'm not looking to dismiss those items at all. I just think that for the most part, he demonstrated some ability and some usefulness before being sent off. Especially in the midfield, where after losing Herrera, our options are very thin.
 
For some reason, my opinion of his play (outside the red card and the goal) was the exact opposite. While he didn't have incredible speed, he was able to handle the ball in tight spaces and connected well with Ring and Maxi IMO. I thought he generally looked more capable there than Ofori had.

That said, the red card was inexcusable, and his play leading up to the goal was not great either. And I'm not looking to dismiss those items at all. I just think that for the most part, he demonstrated some ability and some usefulness before being sent off. Especially in the midfield, where after losing Herrera, our options are very thin.
I’ll admit I wasn’t drinking until the second half so that could be why we saw his play differently :)

Seriously though, I’m not discounting your opinion of his play, I just didn’t see it. He completed some passes, but nothing that made me think he was a safe outlet because he’d then give the ball away with a mistimed pass or not read the movement of his teammates. And there were a few times before the red that he looked out of control on his challenges - that seemed directly connected to his lack of speed and reaction time. Both are accidents waiting to happen when tackling.
 
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I’ll admit I wasn’t drinking until the second half so that could be why we saw his play differently :)

Seriously though, I’m not discounting your opinion of his play, I just didn’t see it. He completed some passes, but nothing that made me think he was a safe outlet because he’d then give the ball away with a mistimed pass or not read the movement of his teammates. And there were a few times before the red that he looked out of control on his challenges - that seemed directly connected to his lack of speed and reaction time. Both are accidents waiting to happen when tackling.
I wasn't drinking until the second half as well, haha. But I was at home watching on TV. This is one of those things that I'd like to go back and rewatch and try to watch just Amagat the whole time he's on the field, but honestly something I'll never get back to.

Outside of the two items I noted, I just didn't think it was that bad. I do remember he had a giveaway on the sideline at one point, that may have ended up being charged as a turnover by Tinny, but it was due to an ill-advised pass by Eloi.

I still think given the choices we had in the midfield, that against Red Bulls, Amagat should start again. Ofori is way way way too one-footed to be in a critical midfield position against a pressing team like the Red Bulls. The times Ofori has looked good, he's had time on the ball to receive with his left, and then either dribble, or collect with his left and pass with his left. Where Ofori has looked overmatched, is when he hasn't had that time.
 
Unopinionated view of how he actually did out there as far as Distribution, Defense, and Possession

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Ofori also called up according to Schnitzer. So we're going to be missing Ofori and Chanot, in addition to all the injuries, for that DC game. Yikes. We will likely have 19 available players for that game.

ITS-Villa-Castellanos
Moralez
Ring-Amagat
Mata-Callens?-Ibeagha-Tinnerholm

If Callens isn't back by then, who starts at CB? Sweat? We have no one else available.

If Sweat starts, the bench would probably be: Sands, Awuah, Bedoya, Lewis, Tommy, Scally, goalie -- We have no one else available
ITS also called up.

This is gonna suck. Especially with the midweek game. When does rotation happen? Does ITS leave before the 9/5 game vs New England? Because that leaves Lewis, Villa and Castallanos (and I guess Mata depending on where he gets chosen for) as the forwards
DETAILS:

Maxime Chanot

9/8 vs Moldova - UEFA Nations League (Luxembourg City, Luxembourg)

9/11 vs San Marino - UEFA Nations League (Serravalle, San Marino)

Ebenezer Ofori

9/8 vs Kenya – African Nations Cup Qualifying (Nairobi, Kenya)

Ismael Tajouri-Shradi

9/8 vs South Africa – African Nations Cup Qualifying (Durban, South Africa)

Rodney Wallace

9/7 vs South Korea - International Friendly (Goyang, South Korea)

9/11 vs Japan - International Friendly (Suita, Japan)
 
ITS also called up.

This is gonna suck. Especially with the midweek game. When does rotation happen? Does ITS leave before the 9/5 game vs New England? Because that leaves Lewis, Villa and Castallanos (and I guess Mata depending on where he gets chosen for) as the forwards
DETAILS:

Maxime Chanot

9/8 vs Moldova - UEFA Nations League (Luxembourg City, Luxembourg)

9/11 vs San Marino - UEFA Nations League (Serravalle, San Marino)

Ebenezer Ofori

9/8 vs Kenya – African Nations Cup Qualifying (Nairobi, Kenya)

Ismael Tajouri-Shradi

9/8 vs South Africa – African Nations Cup Qualifying (Durban, South Africa)

Rodney Wallace

9/7 vs South Korea - International Friendly (Goyang, South Korea)

9/11 vs Japan - International Friendly (Suita, Japan)

Yup -- just saw that. If Callens is still hurt we won't have enough players to field a full 16 field players. The press release on NYCFC.com says the international window starts Sept. 3, so it would appear that's when those guys are departing.
 
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ITS also called up.

This is gonna suck. Especially with the midweek game. When does rotation happen? Does ITS leave before the 9/5 game vs New England? Because that leaves Lewis, Villa and Castallanos (and I guess Mata depending on where he gets chosen for) as the forwards
DETAILS:

Maxime Chanot

9/8 vs Moldova - UEFA Nations League (Luxembourg City, Luxembourg)

9/11 vs San Marino - UEFA Nations League (Serravalle, San Marino)

Ebenezer Ofori

9/8 vs Kenya – African Nations Cup Qualifying (Nairobi, Kenya)

Ismael Tajouri-Shradi

9/8 vs South Africa – African Nations Cup Qualifying (Durban, South Africa)

Rodney Wallace

9/7 vs South Korea - International Friendly (Goyang, South Korea)

9/11 vs Japan - International Friendly (Suita, Japan)
Yup -- just saw that. If Callens is still hurt we won't have enough players to field a full 16 field players. The press release on NYCFC.com says the international window starts Sept. 3, so it would appear that's when those guys are departing.
Might as well just have Ring get his surgery now and get the extra time to recover since we’re about to start playing by Pub League roster rules:

1.0: At no point will a team ever start a match with the requisite number of field players; at best, 1 fewer than the maximum needed field players will be present and changed out of work clothes.
1.1: additional players will arrive at undetermined intervals through the first half, but at no point will the team have more than 2 subs.
1.1.a: if a 3rd sub arrives, the probability of a field player immediately being injured approaches certainty.
1.2: If said team ever has a full complement of players prior to kickoff, the probability of the following are extremely high:
1.2.a: a Lightning rainout.
1.2.b: forfeiture by the opposing team not showing up.
 
Wait until half the players called up for international duty inevitably get injured. I swear, this team is fucking snakebit with injuries. Meanwhile ATL and RBNJ never seem to get anyone injured.

Red Bulls lost Valot, Duncan, and Bezecourt. Atlanta is out Nagbe, Garza, and some depth guys. Not as bad as Herrera and Villa dropping out for half the season but not nothing.
 
Red Bulls lost Valot, Duncan, and Bezecourt. Atlanta is out Nagbe, Garza, and some depth guys. Not as bad as Herrera and Villa dropping out for half the season but not nothing.
Sure not nothing, but you forgot the laundry list of our injuries to go along with Herrera and Villa: ITS, Berget (x2), Medina, Mata (x5 or there about), our 4th CB, Johnson, Chanot, Callens, Ring (75% ability right now & any normal person wouldn’t/couldn’t play through a sports hernia), & Taty.
 
Did I miss some reporting on this or are you just making that Finnish thing canon?
It was discussed 2-3 games ago by I believe Annagram during a shoutbox, before any mention of it hit the media waves, ie the Finnish Coach. Annagram was told by somebody(s) in the know that Ring had been battling a sports hernia for the last few matches. Said he’s been playing through the pain.

It was either completely accurate or a great job of bullshitting. I doubt Annagram would burn forum credibility on a made up story.
 
Sure not nothing, but you forgot the laundry list of our injuries to go along with Herrera and Villa: ITS, Berget (x2), Medina, Mata (x5 or there about), our 4th CB, Johnson, Chanot, Callens, Ring (75% ability right now & any normal person wouldn’t/couldn’t play through a sports hernia), & Taty.

Exactly. It’s easier to put a list of who hasn’t been injured at some point in time:

Sweat
Wallace
Lewis

And thank god for Maxi’s durability. Amazing.
 
Moralez has played all but 19 minutes this season. He's having an MVP season and hasn't missed any time. Remarkable.

He's also probably one of the top five most fouled players in MLS. And I rarely see persistent infringement yellow cards shown to our opponents.

These are the MLSsoccer.com fouls suffered in the past matches for Moralez 5, 5, 2, 2, 3, 2, 4, 3, 2, 5, 1, 4, 3.

That's going back to the start of June.