2018 Roster Discussion

[Kjbert]

If you think that Ring, Herrera and Maxi are our best midfielders...if you think 2018 Villa plays best as a tandem Striker with a target...of you think that our LB is a problem...and if you think we have 3 very good CBs...

Then why wouldn’t we play a 3-5-2?

 

[Schwallacus]

If you think that Ring, Herrera and Maxi are our best midfielders...if you think 2018 Villa plays best as a tandem Striker with a target...of you think that our LB is a problem...and if you think we have 3 very good CBs...

Then why wouldn’t we play a 3-5-2?

That would make too much sense.

 

[Shwafta]

If you think that Ring, Herrera and Maxi are our best midfielders...if you think 2018 Villa plays best as a tandem Striker with a target...of you think that our LB is a problem...and if you think we have 3 very good CBs...

Then why wouldn’t we play a 3-5-2?

I've been saying we should have experimented with it a while ago!

 

[Fantazma]

If you think that Ring, Herrera and Maxi are our best midfielders...if you think 2018 Villa plays best as a tandem Striker with a target...of you think that our LB is a problem...and if you think we have 3 very good CBs...

Then why wouldn’t we play a 3-5-2?

you cant be effective with 3-5-2 in YS, there is no space, for wings.

 

[LionNYC]

If you think that Ring, Herrera and Maxi are our best midfielders...if you think 2018 Villa plays best as a tandem Striker with a target...of you think that our LB is a problem...and if you think we have 3 very good CBs...

Then why wouldn’t we play a 3-5-2?

Because when you play a 3-5-2 you use 3 CBs and we want Tinnerholm in the field. And Tinnerholm can only play RB and not in a midfield position on the field, obviously.

But that got me thinking...

------------------Berget--Villa-------------
-Medina--Herrera-Moralez-Ring--Isi--
------------Callens--Chanot--Ibeagha---
-----------------------Johnson-------------

Something like this would have Ring and Herrera towards the defenders more than the forwards, thus it would be more like a 3-2-3-2, or the WM formation that Vieira started 2017 with or was it this year?

Actually, this would be an MW

 

[Schwallacus]

Because when you play a 3-5-2 you use 3 CBs and we want Tinnerholm in the field. And Tinnerholm can only play RB and not in a midfield position on the field, obviously.

But that got me thinking...

------------------Berget--Villa-------------
-Medina--Herrera-Moralez-Ring--Isi--
------------Callens--Chanot--Ibeagha---
-----------------------Johnson-------------

Something like this would have Ring and Herrera towards the defenders more than the forwards, thus it would be more like a 3-2-3-2, or the WM formation that Vieira started 2017 with or was it this year?

Actually, this would be an MW

Why can't Tinnerholm be the RWB and Mata the LWB? Having the two of them allows for Maxi and one of Herrera/Ring to venture further forward and not really risk opening up the back.

---------------Berget---Villa---------------
---Mata-Herrera--Maxi--Ring-Tinny---
-------Callens---Chanot---Ibeagha-------
------------------Johnson-------------------

Bring on Isi, Medina, or Castellanos as subs for either Mata, Tinny, or even Berget depending on the opponent and scoreline. Sweat is a capable CB or LB backup, so Callens or Mata go down we are okay. Sands can come in for Herrera or Ring. Hell, maybe even Scally may be good at LWB.

 

[adam]

Because when you play a 3-5-2 you use 3 CBs and we want Tinnerholm in the field. And Tinnerholm can only play RB and not in a midfield position on the field, obviously.

But that got me thinking...

------------------Berget--Villa-------------
-Medina--Herrera-Moralez-Ring--Isi--
------------Callens--Chanot--Ibeagha---
-----------------------Johnson-------------

Something like this would have Ring and Herrera towards the defenders more than the forwards, thus it would be more like a 3-2-3-2, or the WM formation that Vieira started 2017 with or was it this year?

Actually, this would be an MW

Why can't Tinnerholm be the RWB and Mata the LWB? Having the two of them allows for Maxi and one of Herrera/Ring to venture further forward and not really risk opening up the back.

---------------Berget---Villa---------------
---Mata-Herrera--Maxi--Ring-Tinny---
-------Callens---Chanot---Ibeagha-------
------------------Johnson-------------------

Bring on Isi, Medina, or Castellanos as subs for either Mata, Tinny, or even Berget depending on the opponent and scoreline. Sweat is a capable CB or LB backup, so Callens or Mata go down we are okay. Sands can come in for Herrera or Ring. Hell, maybe even Scally may be good at LWB.

Whatever we do, we only have 2 matches to figure it out. Bless the rains.

 

[Jock]

*Cue video of Mata getting undressed by Afful and essentially ending the CLB series at the end of the first game*

(edit: goddam, adding a gif is hard)

 

[NYCFC_Dan]

Why can't Tinnerholm be the RWB and Mata the LWB? Having the two of them allows for Maxi and one of Herrera/Ring to venture further forward and not really risk opening up the back.

---------------Berget---Villa---------------
---Mata-Herrera--Maxi--Ring-Tinny---
-------Callens---Chanot---Ibeagha-------
------------------Johnson-------------------

Bring on Isi, Medina, or Castellanos as subs for either Mata, Tinny, or even Berget depending on the opponent and scoreline. Sweat is a capable CB or LB backup, so Callens or Mata go down we are okay. Sands can come in for Herrera or Ring. Hell, maybe even Scally may be good at LWB.

Whatever we do we should be doing it in our next match. Not wait for the playoffs to figure stuff out.

 

[Ulrich]

You know what a 3-5-2 really is?????


It’s a 3-3-4 with the two wings playing too deeply.

Seriously, the best we’ve looked this year is when PV would say Fck it and go all in with 4 up front. That was the period of the season when it never ever seemed like we’d lose because there was the faith of one more shot being all we needed. I’m tired of everything Dome has been screwing around with, and if we’re gonna go out, I wanna go out punching. Line up Sweat, Callens, and Chanot in the back, drop Herrera and Ring in front of them with Maxi running free, and up front let Villa/Berget be flanked be Isi and Medina (I didn’t just say that). Taty and Lewis are available to keep the accelerator down.

 

[EganSoccerWords]

I think we are fine with 2 CBs plus Ring especially at the narrow Yankee Stadium. I dont think that Mata or Tinnerholm look great when they are isolated as the only wide player player on their side. I think the 4231 with Ofori/Yangel and Ring as the holding midfielders able to cover for the attacking fullback on their side.

 

[Kjbert]

You know what a 3-5-2 really is?????


It’s a 3-3-4 with the two wings playing too deeply.

Seriously, the best we’ve looked this year is when PV would say Fck it and go all in with 4 up front. That was the period of the season when it never ever seemed like we’d lose because there was the faith of one more shot being all we needed. I’m tired of everything Dome has been screwing around with, and if we’re gonna go out, I wanna go out punching. Line up Sweat, Callens, and Chanot in the back, drop Herrera and Ring in front of them with Maxi running free, and up front let Villa/Berget be flanked be Isi and Medina (I didn’t just say that). Taty and Lewis are available to keep the accelerator down.

I've been advocating for the 2 strikers, 2 wingers formation for 3 years now. F it. Go balls to the wall.

 

[Kjbert]

By the way, our problem is scoring right now.

What formation gets us goals?

 

[NickA]

By the way, our problem is scoring right now.

What formation gets us goals?

If still suggesting 3 in the back 3-4-3 is very attack orientated formation or a 3-4-1-2 if you want to eliminate the wingers. Start with a base 3-5-2 change it as the game dictates.

If you want to stay with the 4, then the 4-3-3 is the best way to go.

As many have discussed the merits of 3 in the back at YS since the get go, I've often advocated for it as well. I think Mata/Tinny would be a great LM/RM combo in a 3-5-2, but a 3-4-3 would work best in YS in my opinion.

 

[Ulrich]

If still suggesting 3 in the back 3-4-3 is very attack orientated formation or a 3-4-1-2 if you want to eliminate the wingers. Start with a base 3-5-2 change it as the game dictates.

If you want to stay with the 4, then the 4-3-3 is the best way to go.

As many have discussed the merits of 3 in the back at YS since the get go, I've often advocated for it as well. I think Mata/Tinny would be a great LM/RM combo in a 3-5-2, but a 3-4-3 would work best in YS in my opinion.

Villa and berget work better in a multiple of two at the front, so either two forwards or four forwards so they both are dual strikers in the middle. When playing 1 or 3 forwards, the guy in the middle is too isolated if the wings are “supposed” to hug the sidelines.

 

[The Toe]

If you think that Ring, Herrera and Maxi are our best midfielders...if you think 2018 Villa plays best as a tandem Striker with a target...of you think that our LB is a problem...and if you think we have 3 very good CBs...

Then why wouldn’t we play a 3-5-2?

------Villa---Berget
----------Maxi
Mata<---------->Isi
-------Ring
--------------Yangel
Callens--------Chanot
----------Ibby
----------SJ

This, I think, puts our best-ish XI all on the field. The problem is, it hasn't been our talent that has held us back the second half of the year, it's been our tactics. I fully expect a lineup like this and to lose 4-0 because of Dome. I like Medina over Mata, personally, but I think we'll need someone willing to get back and be a body in our half.

 

[sbrylski]

For sake of arguing, I would say that three CB's is actually less flexible than anything with four in the back.

With attacking fullbacks, a 4-3-3 often plays like a 3-3-4 in the attack anyway, with one fullback charging up the sideline. If we want to be more attacking minded, release the fullbacks and play inverted wingers.

If we are just completely back to the drawing board, play a 4-2-2-2 and have the fullbacks bomb up as appropriate. If we need to play defensively and need to compensate with width in the attack, have the CAMs slide to LM/RM (Maxi, Isi). Berget and Villa up front. Ring and Herrera/Ofori as DMs.

 

[NickA]

For sake of arguing, I would say that three CB's is actually less flexible than anything with four in the back.

With attacking fullbacks, a 4-3-3 often plays like a 3-3-4 in the attack anyway, with one fullback charging up the sideline. If we want to be more attacking minded, release the fullbacks and play inverted wingers.

If we are just completely back to the drawing board, play a 4-2-2-2 and have the fullbacks bomb up as appropriate. If we need to play defensively and need to compensate with width in the attack, have the CAMs slide to LM/RM (Maxi, Isi). Berget and Villa up front. Ring and Herrera/Ofori as DMs.

True in a systematic sense. Not so much when you look at our personnel. If you want to play like that you need to invest in the fullbacks, because they are key components in making it work. Also, our front three can't handle crosses. They're not built like that. Yes, Berget is a bigger body, but our targets are small. We are too small up front imo for a 4-3-3 to work effectively. That's why we struggle. It's sort of like an NFL team being able to run the ball, it opens up the passing game. Opponents don't respect the cross so our wingers are constantly double teamed making the winger isolation nonexistent. That's why our around the box play gets smothered. If we had speed we could counter, but we don't. If we went 3 in the back, we could possibly go to a more direct play style. Viera was developing this squad for 4-3-3 but it's lost its way. We don't have the talent to be multidimensional. The team needs to be built around a play-style & tactic not the other way around.

 

[SoupInNYC]

For sake of arguing, I would say that three CB's is actually less flexible than anything with four in the back.

With attacking fullbacks, a 4-3-3 often plays like a 3-3-4 in the attack anyway, with one fullback charging up the sideline. If we want to be more attacking minded, release the fullbacks and play inverted wingers.

If we are just completely back to the drawing board, play a 4-2-2-2 and have the fullbacks bomb up as appropriate. If we need to play defensively and need to compensate with width in the attack, have the CAMs slide to LM/RM (Maxi, Isi). Berget and Villa up front. Ring and Herrera/Ofori as DMs.

I think it also comes down to (when talking 4-3-3 vs a 3-3-4 or 3-4-3, is would you rather have Mata and Tinny, or Medina and Isi in there.

 

[SoupInNYC]

------Villa---Berget
----------Maxi
Mata<---------->Isi
-------Ring
--------------Yangel
Callens--------Chanot
----------Ibby
----------SJ

This, I think, puts our best-ish XI all on the field. The problem is, it hasn't been our talent that has held us back the second half of the year, it's been our tactics. I fully expect a lineup like this and to lose 4-0 because of Dome. I like Medina over Mata, personally, but I think we'll need someone willing to get back and be a body in our half.

Minute detail question here. Would you rather have Ibby or Chanot in the middle of a back 3?

I think Ibby is better in the air, and thus that makes sense. But I feel like Chanot is better at organizing and is more vocal, and is also better on the ball than Ibby. I think weighing those items, I'd prefer to have Chanot in the middle, but I guess I wouldn't have a fit if it was Ibby there.