2018 Roster Discussion

The Sun? That would be the equivalent of a transfer rumor coming from Buzzfeed under the article heading 17 Transfer Rumors You Might See in MLS This Window

But hot damn! their page 3 got me though a lot of tube rides.
 
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To me Empire of Soccer's explanation sounds like an assumption: that Herrera's transfer had to be paid in installments so he wouldn't be a DP. It doesn't sound like they have a source for that assumption, though.

The answer could just as easily be that because CFG paid the fee, MLS didn't apply it to Herrera's cost. MLS could rationalize it based on our deal to get loanees from Man City, as mentioned above. It definitely wouldn't be the first time that MLS has allowed a marquee team to gain a competitive advantage from its rules.

In sum, like Empire of Soccer we're looking for ways to rationalize Herrera's transfer within MLS rules when the answer might well be that MLS tweaked or ignored its rules instead.
Don't know how you read anything other than the spokesman said that transfer payments count towards his budget charge. I don't know really feel like getting into a debate about parsing words so I am just going to leave it at that.

There is a recent trend of MLS not pulling the LA Galaxy shit of old because they want to seem like a legitimate league. In particular, NYCFC was rebuffed when we tried to bring on Demichelis on loan for less than a DP and the Red Bulls were rebuffed when they tried to do the same thing with Omer Damari.

At the same time, MLS gonna MLS.
 
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Don’t read that paper. As a footy fan, you should know better. They are banned from some grounds due to how they have mis-covered incidents.

Don’t mess with a man’s soft core porn.
 
Libertad are the one club in Paraguay I can name so I'll take it as a good sign that's where he's coming from. Of course I only know them because I saw them play River Plate in Copa Libertadores way back in 06 when I spent some time down in Buenos Aires ...
 
Don't know how you read anything other than the spokesman said that transfer payments count towards his budget charge. I don't know really feel like getting into a debate about parsing words so I am just going to leave it at that.

There is a recent trend of MLS not pulling the LA Galaxy shit of old because they want to seem like a legitimate league. In particular, NYCFC was rebuffed when we tried to bring on Demichelis on loan for less than a DP and the Red Bulls were rebuffed when they tried to do the same thing with Omer Damari.

At the same time, MLS gonna MLS.
But the article doesn't actually know how his deal is structured. It says "If Manchester City had paid the $3 million up front, Herrera would have to be a DP.That Herrera isn’t suggests that Manchester is paying Atletico Venezuela in installments which would significantly reduce his budget charge for a year."

It "suggests" that the loan was paid in installments, but doesn't seem to actually know that
 
All I know is Medina better not be a DP...otherwise I will question CFG’s commitment to use all the roster mechanisms to build the strongest NYCFC roster possible.
 
Why do you say that? I think there is an argument to be had that a Jesus Medina in an MLS 3.0 world is an intriguing proposition as a DP.
because.... why not. doesn't even matter to me. you guys are all gonna be pissed with whoever it is unless they score 85 goals a game as a goalkeeper who also saves 3 penalties a game.
 
because.... why not. doesn't even matter to me. you guys are all gonna be pissed with whoever it is unless they score 85 goals a game as a goalkeeper who also saves 3 penalties a game.

That's.....not a very good reason. It's also unfair for you to say we wouldn't be happy with any DP. That's malarkey
 
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Why do you say that? I think there is an argument to be had that a Jesus Medina in an MLS 3.0 world is an intriguing proposition as a DP.

I really don't know how anyone can claim Medina is a good DP or a bad DP before we've ever seen him play. None of us have any idea what this kid is capable of in MLS until we actually get a chance to see him on the field.
 
That's.....not a very good reason. It's also unfair for you to say we wouldn't be happy with any DP. That's malarkey

Mario Mario 's point is a bit of an exaggeration but to be fair we twist DP news to fit our preferred narrative. People are complaining that we are being left behind because we don't sign young DPs and we don't pay transfer fees for our DPs while other teams are now paying fees with RB paying $6.25M for Romero Gamarra and Orlando paying $3.5M for Jouse Colman. But "Medina better not be a DP". Would people even be pleased with either Gamarra or Colman as a DP or are they just using the spend to further their narrative? The logic is a bit twisted at times it seems like people are essentially saying other teams are spending (on players I wouldn't want) so therefore I won't be happy unless we buy James Rodriguez for $60M.
 
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Mario Mario 's point is a bit of an exaggeration but to be fair we twist DP news to fit our preferred narrative. People are complaining that we are being left behind because we don't sign young DPs and we don't pay transfer fees for our DPs while other teams are now paying fees with RB paying $6.25M Romero Gamarra and Orlando paying for $3.5M Jouse Colman. But "Medina better not be a DP". Would people even be pleased with either Gamarra or Colman as a DP or are they just using the spend to further their narrative? The logic is a bit twisted at times it seems like people are essentially saying other teams are spending (on players I wouldn't want) so therefore I won't be happy unless we buy James Rodriguez for $60M.

basically what I'm getting at.... If the DP isn't 18 years old and already played in a top tier first team and scores 20 goals a season and isn't named Almiron, he's not good enough...

is that a more realistic way of summing up the DP discussion?
 
Would this forum be happy with Messi at any price in 5 years( after the next WC after the upcoming one) assuming normal wear and tear for his age at the time?
My impression from taking this forum’s pulse is no.
 
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I really don't know how anyone can claim Medina is a good DP or a bad DP before we've ever seen him play. None of us have any idea what this kid is capable of in MLS until we actually get a chance to see him on the field.

I'm not arguing his merits based on play. I'm arguing that purchasing a player for $3 Million with a future market value is savvy business in a vacuum.

Who knows if he is good or who owns him or how much he makes or what his aspirations are.

And I am also arguing that we are moving into MLS 4.0 1.0 was the launch - 2.0 was the first wave of foreign DPs and then guys like Dempsey coming back. 3.0 was NYCFC coming in and the successful expansion effort along with new soccer stadiums. 4.0 is Atlanta, LAFC and the like