2021 Roster Discussion

[Fantazma]

Yeah, salary is capped at the max budget charge of $612,000. But unlimited transfer fee. You would hope the team was able to bring him in for that salary.

right, i think all the other players cincy and atlanta brought that are young seem to be going this route maybe like 100-300K salary. the problem is that its not clear how many of these spots does each team actually have

 

[JayH]

Emelec fans seem pissed he staying.

I like this better than the "fans seem happy that he is going"

 

[EganSoccerWords]

Yeah, salary is capped at the max budget charge of $612,000. But unlimited transfer fee. You would hope the team was able to bring him in for that salary.

The other factor that I mentioned a couple days ago is that teams need a DP under 23 or younger that can be bought down from using TAM in order to get all three u22 tags.

 

[ZYanksRule]

The other factor that I mentioned a couple days ago is that teams need a DP under 23 or younger that can be bought down from using TAM in order to get all three u22 tags.

Medina falls under that classification, right? The rumor was that they could buy him down this winter. The league roster rules are so opaque, but I thought guys could be grandfathered into that classification.

 

[LionNYC]

Nobody wants to play for Ronny Deila & David Lee

Repost

 

[Fantazma]

Medina falls under that classification, right? The rumor was that they could buy him down this winter. The league roster rules are so opaque, but I thought guys could be grandfathered into that classification.

its MLS you make stuff up as you go. I mean TAM players were made up literally in the middle of the season so the Galaxy can get Gio Dos Santos

 

[Shwafta]

Everyone's like "who doesn't wanna come to NY? NY is such a draw"
my ass it is y'all

 

[Fantazma]

Everyone's like "who doesn't wanna come to NY? NY is such a draw"
my ass it is y'all

i never fully agreed on that, the city is appealing perhaps for the big names coming from europe but not others. Everyone else is more like: " show me the $$$" both RB and nycfc dont spend huge amounts.

 

[moogoo]

Everyone's like "who doesn't wanna come to NY? NY is such a draw"
my ass it is y'all

we don't know that NY is why he didn't want to come. could be a multitude of other reasons. if he ends up in another city for around the same money then we can probably chalk it up to NY is not appealing. lol.

 

[SoupInNYC]

if he ends up in another city for around the same money then we can probably chalk it up to NY is not appealing. lol.

Perhaps we could. Or it could possibly be:

• doesn't want to play in a baseball stadium
• doesn't want to play under Ronny Deila as a manager
• doesn't like the system that Ronny deploys (separating this as a tactics thing vs managerial thing above)
• has a real affinity for the city which he ends up in (maybe he loves LA or Chicago)
• has friends on the team he ends up in, or perhaps friends/family living in the area

I could probably think up of several more to keep adding to this. Players have all sorts of reasons why they end up where they do instead of somewhere else and it seems like us fans like to pick one for some particular reason or because it fits a certain narrative that we like.

This is the same thing in college recruiting and it's repetitive and usually baseless (in some cases there may be interviews where a player/target says certain thinks he likes/dislikes).

 

[ZYanksRule]

Some good quotes from David Lee in this article on the slow offseason.

Why the MLS offseason has seemed slow for player signings

MLS teams are signing about as many players as last year. So why does this offseason seem so quiet?

theathletic.com

In some cases, replacing a player isn’t the only reason a selling club would hold firm. While New York City FC has two open DP slots, sporting director David Lee pointed to many clubs’ hopes that the summer window will be more active amid a theoretically healthier global economy. As a result, teams looking to sign players who require a transfer fee are sometimes met with resistance.

“The international market has been incredibly slow, particularly in January,” Lee said. “If they have the financial capacity to hold onto an asset until the summer rather than taking a depressed price now, everybody seems to be hoping that the market will be stronger and prices will increase this summer. Not every club is in the position where they’re able to, and obviously if they get a fantastic offer that you need to accept, you let the player go, but we are seeing that lots of clubs are trying to hold onto their players until the summer in hopes of a more robust transfer market.”

As many multi-year deals include salary increases year-over-year, clubs have had to work to stay cap compliant. In December, NYCFC traded midfielder and captain Alexander Ring to Austin for $750,000 in GAM plus another $500,000 of GAM in performance-based incentives. Less than two weeks later, they sent left back Ronald Matarrita to FC Cincinnati for $500,000 in GAM across 2021 and 2022 plus a potential $100,000 of GAM based on performance. While Lee stopped short of saying those deals wouldn’t have happened if the cap had risen as first planned, he cited it as part of the consideration.

“When the original CBA was agreed (in February 2020), all teams signed players based on expected increases in the salary cap that, for financial reasons, rightfully have not come to bear,” he said. “A lot of players have year-to-year increases in their contracts and the salary cap hasn’t gone up. From our point of view, some of the trades that we did alleviated some of that pressure on us and gave us the space that we knew we wanted. Speaking to other sporting directors, it’s definitely been something that has impacted teams and probably will impact teams next year, as well.”

Whether the moves came before June 1 or after the secondary window opens on July 7, the delayed start of the regular season also makes midseason signings less cumbersome. While summer acquisitions tend to join their MLS club 16 or 18 games into the season, Lee estimated that the delayed opening kick will cut that absence in half.

“Teams may be more willing to do business in the summer because they’re not missing as much of the season as they would in any other normal year,” Lee said. “Historically, we’ve been very quiet in summer transfer windows. I don’t know whether that changes — my hope is still to have as many of the players that we want to acquire before the start of the season — but if there are the right opportunities where we need to wait for the secondary, then we’re open to that.”

 

[EganSoccerWords]

Medina falls under that classification, right? The rumor was that they could buy him down this winter. The league roster rules are so opaque, but I thought guys could be grandfathered into that classification.

I am missing something with the last part of your post. Medina could be a DP or TAM player, but not a U22 tag because his salary is above the max budget charge. Sands, Taty, or Keaton could possibly be grandfathered with the U22 tag.

Rodriguez (or another young DP that we haven't signed yet) would be the better choice for the DP slot because then we can sign 1 more DP (if Mitri is not coming back) and 3 more U22 tag players.

 

[ZYanksRule]

I am missing something with the last part of your post. Medina could be a DP or TAM player, but not a U22 tag because his salary is above the max budget charge. Sands, Taty, or Keaton could possibly be grandfathered with the U22 tag.

Rodriguez (or another young DP that we haven't signed yet) would be the better choice for the DP slot because then we can sign 1 more DP (if Mitri is not coming back) and 3 more U22 tag players.

I did not release his salary was that high. So they can buy him down with TAM, but he wouldn't fit under the U-22 tag.

 

[Kjbert]

Perhaps we could. Or it could possibly be:

• doesn't want to play in a baseball stadium
• doesn't want to play under Ronny Deila as a manager
• doesn't like the system that Ronny deploys (separating this as a tactics thing vs managerial thing above)
• has a real affinity for the city which he ends up in (maybe he loves LA or Chicago)
• has friends on the team he ends up in, or perhaps friends/family living in the area

I could probably think up of several more to keep adding to this. Players have all sorts of reasons why they end up where they do instead of somewhere else and it seems like us fans like to pick one for some particular reason or because it fits a certain narrative that we like.

This is the same thing in college recruiting and it's repetitive and usually baseless (in some cases there may be interviews where a player/target says certain thinks he likes/dislikes).

Or maybe he would be taking a pay cut

 

[Fantazma]

Or maybe he would be taking a pay cut

i have read that ecuadorian teams are starting to have money ( better results in conmebol tournaments/ good U20 WC couple years ago and currently good run in WCQ) but not sure its that much. they do have the USD as their currency and Emelec is one of the most popular/successful teams in ecuador though.

 

[Shwafta]

Some good quotes from David Lee in this article on the slow offseason.

Why the MLS offseason has seemed slow for player signings

MLS teams are signing about as many players as last year. So why does this offseason seem so quiet?

theathletic.com

See, this is the sort of stuff I mentioned previously that I wish we'd hear more of. This gives a lot more insight into why certain things happened, and doesn't leave us in the dark. If this is the way they're thinking about it, then I'm a lot more open to waiting until the summer to get signings, and I'm actually a lot more cleared up on the ring/mata transfers. This is the sort of thing that needs to be communicated, even if in less robust words than this.

 

[ZYanksRule]

See, this is the sort of stuff I mentioned previously that I wish we'd hear more of. This gives a lot more insight into why certain things happened, and doesn't leave us in the dark. If this is the way they're thinking about it, then I'm a lot more open to waiting until the summer to get signings, and I'm actually a lot more cleared up on the ring/mata transfers. This is the sort of thing that needs to be communicated, even if in less robust words than this.

Absolutely agreed. They have no idea how much more goodwill they would get from the fans if they just allowed David Lee to talk to the media -- or even to do the occasional video piece on the team website.

 

[ManhattanValley]

But.....he is talking to the media?

 

[ZYanksRule]

But.....he is talking to the media?

He should do so on a more regular basis. This (and the NY Post piece on Sands) are the first interviews he's done since, I think, he talked to YES near the end of the regular season. We hadn't heard a word from him all offseason aside from press release quotes. I'm not asking for weekly updates, but at some point this offseason the team should have put a long-form interview out with him so he can explain what's happening this offseason and why things have been so slow.

 

[Kjbert]

He should do so on a more regular basis. This (and the NY Post piece on Sands) are the first interviews he's done since, I think, he talked to YES near the end of the regular season. We hadn't heard a word from him all offseason aside from press release quotes. I'm not asking for weekly updates, but at some point this offseason the team should have put a long-form interview out with him so he can explain what's happening this offseason and why things have been so slow.

The media needs to sell ad space. Not sure how much interest there really is in what David Lee has to say.

Although I do agree that he needs to speak more. Just don’t k ow if there’s a media outlet for that