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I totally agree. I think Pirlo, for better or worse, was in at the start of every single worthwhile attack tonight. What Jack on the right and Mata/Wallace on the left did with the pinpoint passes they got from him is on them, not on Pirlo. And I don't think there was one instance where he was dispossessed and ORL started a dangerous counter because ORL pretty much did no damage except for the goal and maybe 1 other clear chance. The only way I could see Pirlo being a liability tonight is if his pace forced Maxi to stay away from more dangerous areas and had him playing more 6 than 10. To my eye, Pirlo looked very comfortable, not pressured, and was able to create. His way of providing a final pass will always be from 50 feet away, so that may give the impression he's not incisive enough, but if you look at the dozen of useless bombed crosses from Mata/Wallace, well that's what not incisive looks like. In that sense, only Tommy Mac has something that approaches his quality and imagination, and that's why the quality of the chances improved when he came in for Wallace. Because of the way the team builds from the back, etc. I think we're condemned to play at a Pirlo pace. If we take him out of the lineup it's going to be faster but dumber too. It would be a completely different project.
It's not that Pirlo sucks. It's that our team sucks with him in a lot of circumstances. Not a small or particularly novel distinction. If we are going to play him, we can't play without a real 6. Sure. Someone tell us all how Juve can.

Well, we aren't even close to Juve. Just park Pirlo on the road. When teams have a spread out pitch to play over everyone but him and Chanot, we will get burned.

For me, it's really not a criticism of him. It's just an acknowledgement of the situation.
 
Well it looked like our offense came alive when TMac and Okoli came in. TMac added a "second Pirlo" who made some great long pinpoint passes and Okoli added a second Villa which made all sorts of new options.
 
Are you willing to bench Pirlo because of his defense? Because I think our offensive production will suffer conversely. I think Ring needs to get driven into his skull that he is not a CAM or that you gotta play Herrera there.

I'm with you. I'm reading these comments and wonder if I watched the same game. Pirlo was the only constant in the midfield getting the ball forward. Maxi was playing deeper than Ring! That can't happen. Ring was brought in to be a goalscorer? No. It needs to be Ring - Pirlo - Maxi. When you dominate possession but can't score...but blame Pirlo?! I don't get it.

It's very simple why we lost besides odd subs.

The CDM played CAM
The CAM played CM
The CM played CDM

That being said, they still controlled the majority of the game.

I'm not gonna jump off the bridge with the rest of you. We looked much better than last year in the back, at GK and mid. When the offense clicks, we will be a very tough out.
 
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Also, ATL is a better version of what we claim to want to be.

This was the most disappointing part of the night IMO. Watching both our game and then the ATL-Red Bulls game, and watching how beautifully Atlanta played out of the back, move the ball quickly, played down the flanks... everything our style of play is supposed to be. While it's exciting to see an expansion team come out and play well, it's disheartening to think they've made more progress in their short existence than we have... (granted, going on one set of games, but still)

Mata is so frustrating... He left Larin on that goal, and was regularly a good 10 yards from his mark... I'm not sure my opinion about him will ever be the same after watching him completely quit on those plays against Toronto in the playoffs.

Moralez looked good (better than I expected). Okoli showed well too, and hopefully can be another real threat to teams. Not a good start at all, but only place to go from here is up... so, fingers crossed...
 
The CDM played CAM
The CAM played CM
The CM played CDM

Well said, either PV had a terrible plan or Ring played totally out of position and completely ignored his orders. Wasn't thrilled with Pirlo tonight but Ring was by far the biggest disappointment to me. He showed none of the box to box ability people claimed he has. To make matters worse the bite to his game we were told about seemed to only come out in careless moments when he lost his head and retaliated against loosing possession.
 
The CDM played CAM
The CAM played CM
The CM played CDM
So why does this keep happening? The only time we've had a midfielder contribute in attack is when we had one who literally never entered our own half.

If Maxi goes deep to pick up the ball, and Ring tears ass down the field, what's he supposed to do. Same shit Jacobsen pulled on Mix all the fucking time.

Anyway, one attacker needs to come off if we play pirlo on the road. I don't give a shit how good he is and how pinpoint his long balls are. People point out how it's the way others can't play off of him, yet they want to not change how we play. That's what the hell I don't get. We ain't getting all new players yet again.

Play him at home where it's compact. He doesn't work for the team when we're on the road, unless we do something different.

Fuck this 4-3-3 right off to start would help.
 
I want us to win a big game at some point. Just so we aren't always "typical city".

I really think the organization as a whole is struggling to piece together the amazing corporate philosophy they push at the organization level, and still having supporters feel like the players give a damn.

Not a man city fan, but I feel like I've seen plenty of them complain about similar feelings.

I just feel like we often lack heart. Regardless of the organisation. We too often have dudes that are good and dgaf or they work hard and aren't any fucking good at all. Frustrating as hell.

But it's early this year. And it's encouraging to know we won't have to identify new problems because they are largely the same as last year.


Also, ATL is a better version of what we claim to want to be.
I think it's because they optimize for obedience. They need to find a way to relinquish control and give some autonomy (and accountability) back to the players. And convince themselves that things won't go entirely to shit. Facilitate a brainstorm or something.
 
So why does this keep happening? The only time we've had a midfielder contribute in attack is when we had one who literally never entered our own half.

If Maxi goes deep to pick up the ball, and Ring tears ass down the field, what's he supposed to do. Same shit Jacobsen pulled on Mix all the fucking time.

Anyway, one attacker needs to come off if we play pirlo on the road. I don't give a shit how good he is and how pinpoint his long balls are. People point out how it's the way others can't play off of him, yet they want to not change how we play. That's what the hell I don't get. We ain't getting all new players yet again.

Play him at home where it's compact. He doesn't work for the team when we're on the road, unless we do something different.

Fuck this 4-3-3 right off to start would help.

I can say the same about a lot of others though, so I don't understand why it always goes to Pirlo. He out performed our other DPs. Villa was useless, he had one chance and muffed it. Maxi couldn't penetrate the Lincoln Tunnel. Matirrita is soft...him and Callens let Larin basically walk that ball in. Except for a few runs Ring disappeared. I don't want to ever see Shelton enter a game again unless we are winning 4-0. Harrison did some good things, but also did some equally bad things. Chanot was probably the least accountable. I saw the same crap with Jacobson running wild up top as I did with Ring today. When did we get better? When we put Iraola as the DM. I thought Ring was that guy? No? I guess I'm wrong. We are playing an attacking formation...where is the attack?! But let's blame Pirlo? I mean he didn't kill it today, but for the oldest guy on the pitch, he was the most consistent for the 90. All that said. I think a lot of you are wayyyyyy overreacting already.
 
I can say the same about a lot of others though, so I don't understand why it always goes to Pirlo. He out performed our other DPs. Villa was useless, he had one chance and muffed it. Maxi couldn't penetrate the Lincoln Tunnel. Matirrita is soft...him and Callens let Larin basically walk that ball in. Except for a few runs Ring disappeared. I don't want to ever see Shelton enter a game again unless we are winning 4-0. Harrison did some good things, but also did some equally bad things. Chanot was probably the least accountable. I saw the same crap with Jacobson running wild up top as I did with Ring today. When did we get better? When we put Iraola as the DM. I thought Ring was that guy? No? I guess I'm wrong. We are playing an attacking formation...where is the attack?! But let's blame Pirlo? I mean he didn't kill it today, but for the oldest guy on the pitch, he was the most consistent for the 90. All that said. I think a lot of you are wayyyyyy overreacting already.
I don't think you're saying anything different. Just differently. You point out the same flaws. But where's the solution? Mine is park Pirlo so if the assholes are going to play like assholes, there will at least be another athletic asshole to cover for the one who takes off into the box. Yours is to have the assholes not play like assholes? Well, after 3 years, I feel confident in saying that approach fails. Assholes going to asshole.


Ps -the goal was way more Matarrita and RJ (the mostest culpable) than Callens.

PPS - that last line is going to get you sent to the #factsonly forum where only scores and pass completion rates are allowed. And mgarbowski double checks everything (okay, we know he does that everywhere). If we aren't going to get emotional, what's the point? No ones beating anyone up over it. It's game 1. We're fans. Our teams sucked for awhile.
 
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Reading some of the discussions, security was awful in terms of moving the NYCFC fans to and from the stadium and separating them from the Orlando crowd. Typically away support is escorting to the stadium and out to their busses or meeting area as well as having a clear line of security between the away fans and the home fans.

Absolutely, if what happened here is true that isn't 100% inexcusable and should not be tolerated.

However, I'd like to think more could be done to prevent this...
 
Reading some of the discussions, security was awful in terms of moving the NYCFC fans to and from the stadium and separating them from the Orlando crowd. Typically away support is escorting to the stadium and out to their busses or meeting area as well as having a clear line of security between the away fans and the home fans.

Absolutely, if what happened here is true that isn't 100% inexcusable and should not be tolerated.

However, I'd like to think more could be done to prevent this...

Does it matter? On what planet do fans need to be separated in order to prevent a fight or a skirmish?

Let me rephrase that -- on what planet SHOULD fans need to be separated. Grow the hell up and leave the stadium with class, win or lose. It's only a game.
 
I'll read this thread later but first I just want to say lolololololololol we managed not to score a goal tonight.

Jack Harrison has to bury that ball in the back of the net. This was his worst game. He's a great talent. He'll be in good form soon but he was doo doo all night.

8 times out of 10, Villa scores on that gorgeous pass from Pirlo.

Khiry Shelton is not good at soccer. Him losing possession in the corner of the pitch was his MLS career in a nutshell.
 
I find the MLS schedule this year odd. We play Orlando three times this season...

March 5
April 23
May 21

That's all within three months...
 
  • The in-game experience at the stadium was quite cool. Orlando had good atmosphere even at the Citrus Bowl, but the place was absolutely rocking and holds noise very well. They do, however, have a potential real structural issue. When everyone piled out at halftime for food, bathrooms, etc., there was simply not enough physical space in the space behind the stands. You literally couldn’t move. Some of it will probably get better as people start knowing where they are going and there are some small things they can do like move the stands that sell the kits, etc. But, they presumably can’t just push the walls out 10-20 yards (or more) and so I’m curious to hear how they fix it. It was fairly awful even with everyone calm and, I imagine, a disaster in an emergency.

Exactly what I was thinking. I've been to several sports games (including several at the Citrus Bowl which also included the 60k inaugural game) and I never once had a problem with the crowd by the bathroom/concession stands. It was a mad house out there. I couldnt even get a beer because it was impossible to move (I also didnt carry cash lol)
 
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