Zimmerman is two years younger and plays a position - in MLS at least - that is more difficult to fill. Not dissimilar, but in my opinion Zimmerman should command more in trade assets.
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Zimmerman is two years younger and plays a position - in MLS at least - that is more difficult to fill. Not dissimilar, but in my opinion Zimmerman should command more in trade assets.
Yep, I liked Ring and don't like seeing him go, but this feels like its the best for this roster going forward.
Another question that comes along with this, is does this perhaps change our thoughts on how long the club wants to keep Sands around? Maybe he doesn't go to Europe so soon.
Yes. This is a shocking and tough move for them to make, but with all the midfielders, I don't think it was the wrong move. And again -- they've had four years with this group. It hasn't worked. It was time to refresh the roster.
He was getting emotional in his goodbye and if they bought a house, I can't imagine them wanting to go. This seems like a business decision by the club. I get that it makes sense positionally as they are putting their faith in the youth at the position, but to let go of the single seasoned d-mid and our captain is a hard pill to swallow. He always said in interviews how much his wife loved NYC.
Don't worry guys - we'll probably be bringing in a guy who's known as the Kazakh Messi.
The only active players that I have kits for now are Chanot (2018 kit) and Matarrita (2017 kit). I guess they'll be gone too this offseason if my theory holds. This is why all my kits now don't have players names on them.
The other thing to consider is Ring's $1m salary. So not only do we bring in a load of GAM to use, we free up a lot of salary space to use as well. In a position where we were quite deep.
Right. So I think this is about freeing up cap space for use in other areas of the field. We already have our D-mids, in Sands and Acevedo. I think this is about finding the right attacking pieces after the inconsistent season we just had when it comes to finishing.
Hasn't there been a substantial (if not majority) opinion here this year that Ring has been slipping? Because I'm pretty sure that's the case but all the posts today seem to act is if we're as high on him as we were in 2017-2018. I love the guy. Hate to lose him. Up there for all time favorite NYCFC player. But I don't think this is all that odd. Unexpected, but makes a lot of sense, pending future moves.
Adding to this to say and I've seen a lot of chatter (mostly on Twitter, don't think as much here) that this club needs an overhaul and many people listing very few players as "safe", none of which included Ring.
After the gut reaction I'm thinking about it more and I completely agree with the take that this is better for the team. ...Now we just need to see David Lee capitalize on it and not just sell players.
Yup. If this doesn't coincide with some decent spending, then my opinion on this would definitely change.
Hard to say he was slipping since he played many of the games out of his natural position. When he was back where he belonged, he shined and the team felt the added stability in the midfield. Something we were SORELY missing vs Tigres with Medina running around like a winger and Cacha simply too inexperienced to handle the pressure of a strong Tigres side.
I get the move for the club financially. But I'm not entirely convinced positionally. Yes, we have a lot of D-mids and this move shows that we are putting a lot of faith in our youth. I just hope that's not too shortsighted.
I just hope the club uses the money and roster space to go out and make some big splashes at the striker/wing and #10 position.
Maybe the club is ready for Haak to take a step into the first team?
Imagine this:
Sands, Haak, Jasson, Tayvon - a huge part of the success of our youth team - all playing together.
I can understand it. But playing in the youth academy leagues is a big difference to the first team. If they all get playing time going forward, it is just going to be a season where we have to accept the growing pains. I am ok with that to a point. I don't want to turn into the red bulls signing academy and USL players to fill the roster.
I see Jasson getting more playing time. Haak, not so much. I think he's still not high on the list yet. Gray might get more time if the club plans to move Chanot/Callens. But if that happens, does Ibby step in as the starter or does Gray?
A lot of questions this off season and there is not a lot of time until preseason. I am excited to see what happens, but it is an anxiety filled excitement.
I'm in that camp, but also with you on the rest of your post. I guess I figured that if the reason he was slipping was because of his knee issues, maybe the surgery would bring him back to 2017-18 form. But there's no guarantee on that. I don't have any specific examples off hand but did a quick search on the forums and found this
Christopher Jee comment reflecting on it from a June 2019 game against Columbus As one of my coworkers who is a fellow STH said to me just now: 'they better not be like the Knicks where we have tons of open cap space and then get nobody to fill it'
I got mix, villa, poku, sands, ring. Next one I get is tindy. Also want to find a grey Harrison or tindy.
A move that had to be done. Haak now steps up. You still have Rocha.
Where else can this team reasonably improve? I think your GK is locked in. I think we have the best Fullback pairing in the league. I don’t see us bringing in a high profile midfielder this season. Sands Parks and Maxi start. Medina and Cacha back them up.
I think they would like to upgrade at CB. I think that’s where the Ring money goes.
And then we probably need to overhaul the entire front line. Our problem this season was goal scoring and the occSionL mistake from our back line.
Throwing this out there but I think Chanot and Tajouri-Shradi are the next to go.
Where else can this team reasonably improve? I think your GK is locked in. I think we have the best Fullback pairing in the league. I don’t see us bringing in a high profile midfielder this season. Sands Parks and Maxi start. Medina and Cacha back them up.
I think they would like to upgrade at CB. I think that’s where the Ring money goes.
And then we probably need to overhaul the entire front line. Our problem this season was goal scoring and the occSionL mistake from our back line.
Throwing this out there but I think Chanot and Tajouri-Shradi are the next to go.
Ring, Johnson and Callens all signed extension around the same time. Johnson and Callens must be in contracts talks as well. In an interview Johnson ( it was the podcast where he also mentions he thought he trained in NJ and not Orangeburg, NY) I beleive he said he thought his was salary was a little light , as he took a hometown discount when he signed it as he thought he was going to be in Atlanta.
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