2021 Roster Discussion

[mgarbowski]

Using Goals Added (g+) to Assess Dollar Value — American Soccer Analysis

One of the most interesting aspects of MLS when compared to many other popular soccer leagues in the world is that MLS operates under a salary cap. From a roster-building perspective, this has a tremendous impact on how players are valued. Considering the following thought experiment. Let’s say that

www.americansocceranalysis.com

Interesting article that attempts to measure the extent to which teams get value per budget dollar (using 2020 data for both salaries and play). It uses Goals+ as an overall measure of player contribution divided by salary cap charge. It breaks players into 5 groups based on pay: DP, TAM, high, medium and low. If you don't do that then the lowest paid players all appear to provide the most value based on the low denominator factor.

NYCFC measured very well on the TAM and medium salary categories. The whole article is worth reading, and to be fair recognizes several limitations of the approach, while still explaining why it is worth attempting to measure things this way.

 

[ZYanksRule]

interesting, so torres/ Mitri still count even though they are out on loan ?

They should not count when on loan, no.

 

[Shwafta]

Hold on... we have 28 on the roster?!?! What happened to "we have so little people on our roster"?

 

[LionNYC]

Hold on... we have 28 on the roster?!?! What happened to "we have so little people on our roster"?

I mean Maxi is pretty short. Talles makes up for the difference in height.

But the problem is once you go beyond player 15 or 16, we're thin in terms of depth. And that number has been even smaller recently with injuries. Hope to see Morales, Tinnerholm, and Callens back available for selection.

 

[Kjbert]

Someone on bigsoccer said we were close to signing Prince Amponsah as a HG.

An ongoing saga for 3 years

 

[moogoo]

Hold on... we have 28 on the roster?!?! What happened to "we have so little people on our roster"?

problem is we have had 4 different coaches in just 8 years of existence with a 2020 wrench thrown in there. there's bound to be players who will sit on the roster and not get playing time because they didn't fit in the latest coach's vision or plans. while i am not huge on ronny, he is getting decent to good performance out of the team right now. so i hope we can stick with him long term.

even sir alex ferguson said the key to managerial success is consistency in the vision/plan of the club and the coaches implementing it.

 

[SoupInNYC]

An ongoing saga for 3 years

I thought that was Owusu, not Amponsah.

 

[Kjbert]

I thought that was Owusu, not Amponsah.

you’re right. My bad

 

[mgarbowski]

Hold on... we have 28 on the roster?!?! What happened to "we have so little people on our roster"?

If you count the Zelalem re-signing, we've added nine players since since the roster lowpoint.

Amundsen
Andrade
Jasson
Gloster
Latinovich
Magno
Mizell
Morales
Zelalem

I think all but Zelalem came after camp opened. I did a post 2-3 weeks ago noting we had only 2-3 open spots depending on how you count certain ambiguities, and that came as a surprise to me when I looked at it. I think it failed to register because until this week we had no one arrive to fill the giant gap in our front line, except Jasson. Also back when camp started we were counting available players, not roster spots, and Heber takes up a roster slot while not being available. With a full roster that's less noticeable, but when we only had 19 guys it was a much bigger deal that one could not even train.
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[Shwafta]

If you count the Zelalem re-signing, we've added nine players since since the roster lowpoint.

Amundsen
Andrade
Jasson
Gloster
Latinovich
Magno
Mizell
Morales
Zelalem

I think all but Zelalem came after camp opened. I did a post 2-3 weeks ago noting we had only 2-3 open spots depending on how you count certain ambiguities, and that came as a surprise to me when I looked at it. I think it failed to register because until this week we had no one arrive to fill the giant gap in our front line, except Jasson. Also back when camp started we were counting available players, not roster spots, and Heber takes up a roster slot while not being available. With a full roster that's less noticeable, but when we only had 19 guys it was a much bigger deal that one could not even train.
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Right, and also when heber got injured he was put onto the long term injury list which removes him from that list. Makes sense! Wow, that's actually quite c razy when you think about it, how many we signed.

 

[BxLio91]

you’re right. My bad

Mind sharing some info you have on the 3 year saga?
Also do y'all think Jasson should be sent on loan for playing time? With the arrival of Santi and the 2 Brazilians, even with injuries he's barely going to get minutes once they get going.

 

[SoupInNYC]

Mind sharing some info you have on the 3 year saga?
Also do y'all think Jasson should be sent on loan for playing time? With the arrival of Santi and the 2 Brazilians, even with injuries he's barely going to get minutes once they get going.

I think he probably should be. He needs more minutes and I’m not sure where he’s gonna get them with the guys coming in and Heber getting healthy (I know, not same position, but it trickles down where there are some position overlaps)

 

[Kjbert]

Mind sharing some info you have on the 3 year saga?
Also do y'all think Jasson should be sent on loan for playing time? With the arrival of Santi and the 2 Brazilians, even with injuries he's barely going to get minutes once they get going.

Owosu was in negotiation to be a HG before Haak. But for some reason he didn’t qualify. I was told there was “nationality” issues.

 

[ZYanksRule]

Hold on... we have 28 on the roster?!?! What happened to "we have so little people on our roster"?

We have 26 on the roster. Mitrita and Torres don't count while on loan.

 

[Gotham Gator]

We have 26 on the roster. Mitrita and Torres don't count while on loan.

Actually, it is 27. My original count of 28 had already deducted for Mitri, but I forgot to deduct for JP Torres.

So, we have 27 players, including 18/20 on the Senior Roster and 9/10 on the Supplemental and Reserve Rosters. This would allow us to sign a 3rd DP, Santi, and another homegrown.

 

[Higgs1]

Has there been any more talk about Mitri and his request to cancel his loan? Not sure if it was another tactic to get back pay or what, but haven't seen anything since that initial tweet a week or so ago.

 

[Gotham Gator]

Hold on... we have 28 on the roster?!?! What happened to "we have so little people on our roster"?

I really think this is mostly due to how thin we've been at forward. Yes, our roster was small when camp started, and we've had a short bench at times due to injuries.

But the biggest issue has been that even after we added players, we were still woefully short of attacking players. With Heber injured, we only had 4 forwards (Taty, Isi, Medina and Jasson) for what is typically 3 spots. Plus, when Maxi is injured, one of those guys usually slides back to his spot. AND - when Tinnerholm was injured, one of those guys also slid back to take his spot.

That we were so critically short of players who can put the ball in the net kept the narrative going, and for good reason.

The good news is that we've just signed 2 attackers, and we hope to get Heber back in 6 weeks or so. That will bring us back up to 7 forwards, matching the depth we have elsewhere on the team (with the exception of right back).

 

[LionNYC]

Owosu was in negotiation to be a HG before Haak. But for some reason he didn’t qualify. I was told there was “nationality” issues.

As in wouldn’t qualify as a homegrown or that we’d need an international roster slot for him?

 

[Kjbert]

As in wouldn’t qualify as a homegrown or that we’d need an international roster slot for him?

international roster spot

 

[Kjbert]

international roster spot

But I think that impacted his HG status. They were linked