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But I don't think he is actually considered a citizen of the US, because he has never lived here or asked for citizenship. I don't know, just sounds odd.
We are only discussing it, because it could be a world of difference if NYC tries to sign him and doesn't have to use a International Slot on him.
Posting again b/c it just appeared to be a double post, but now the other is gone.
This is not correct. To a serviceman and foreign citizen I should say. Many places in the world transfer citizenship via blood, others do it via geography. In the US, it is both.
Unfortunately, it's our immigration policies and the difficulty of US citizenship that has cost our National team several players who were developed here and consider the US home (Najar and possibly Fagundez, hopefully not Zelalem). As far as FIFA is concerned, citizenship before 18 means you're good to go. If it's after you have to reside in a country for 5 years to be eligible.
I may have some details crossed on that, but it's pretty close.
He's absolutely a citizen under US law, or USSF would not recognize him as eligible. Like US law, USSF regulations are arguably more stringent than FIFA regulations. See the link below for the provisions that delineate the path to citizenship to children born abroad. Since he actually lived State-side in Mississippi (my birth state - reppin' the crooked lettaz) and Illinois while a toddler, his folks filed the required documents at or before that time. A similar example would be Julian Green. OTOH, you have a guy like Terrence Boyd, born out of wedlock I believe, who with the help of Rongen (?) had to find relatives of his estranged father to prove his blood connection and apply before 18 or lose any real chance of becoming a citizen without acquiring a green card and meeting the onerous residence requirements.
State Department explanation of law
The complex scenario we have been leaving out of this discussion would be that of someone like Gedion Zelalem. Zelalem was not a citizen by birth, but lived in the US from age 9 to 16. If he waited until he was 18, he would almost certainly never qualify because he himself would have to go through the green card process (an example of the time this process would take is Darlington Nagbe, who still has a couple of years left despite his longterm residence and marriage to a US citizen). If Zelalem would have played for Germany in the u-20 Euro qualifiers in March, he would have lost the ability to ever play for the US because he would not have been eligible for the US at the time he participated in a FIFA/Confed competition. By declining the call-up and waiting for his US passport on the basis of his father's eligibility via the green card process, he retained his ability to later play youth tournaments for the DFB (if he desires) and still be able to file a one-time switch. Alternatively, he could theoretically play youth tournaments for the US and then switch to the DFB, but most see that as unlikely since it would make his prior rejection of the DFB sort of silly/pointless. I'm glossing over a lot here because it's complex and would require a much longer explanation as to why he seems to be set to be a US international.
For more on that discussion, I'd suggest searching around big soccer. This thread is a decent place to start.
This is not correct. To a serviceman and foreign citizen I should say. Many places in the world transfer citizenship via blood, others do it via geography. In the US, it is both.
Unfortunately, it's our immigration policies and the difficulty of US citizenship that has cost our National team several players who were developed here and consider the US home (Najar and possibly Fagundez, hopefully not Zelalem). As far as FIFA is concerned, citizenship before 18 means you're good to go. If it's after you have to reside in a country for 5 years to be eligible.
I may have some details crossed on that, but it's pretty close.
He's absolutely a citizen under US law, or USSF would not recognize him as eligible. Like US law, USSF regulations are arguably more stringent than FIFA regulations. See the link below for the provisions that delineate the path to citizenship to children born abroad. Since he actually lived State-side in Mississippi (my birth state - reppin' the crooked lettaz) and Illinois while a toddler, his folks filed the required documents at or before that time. A similar example would be Julian Green. OTOH, you have a guy like Terrence Boyd, born out of wedlock I believe, who with the help of Rongen (?) had to find relatives of his estranged father to prove his blood connection and apply before 18 or lose any real chance of becoming a citizen without acquiring a green card and meeting the onerous residence requirements.
State Department explanation of law
The complex scenario we have been leaving out of this discussion would be that of someone like Gedion Zelalem. Zelalem was not a citizen by birth, but lived in the US from age 9 to 16. If he waited until he was 18, he would almost certainly never qualify because he himself would have to go through the green card process (an example of the time this process would take is Darlington Nagbe, who still has a couple of years left despite his longterm residence and marriage to a US citizen). If Zelalem would have played for Germany in the u-20 Euro qualifiers in March, he would have lost the ability to ever play for the US because he would not have been eligible for the US at the time he participated in a FIFA/Confed competition. By declining the call-up and waiting for his US passport on the basis of his father's eligibility via the green card process, he retained his ability to later play youth tournaments for the DFB (if he desires) and still be able to file a one-time switch. Alternatively, he could theoretically play youth tournaments for the US and then switch to the DFB, but most see that as unlikely since it would make his prior rejection of the DFB sort of silly/pointless. I'm glossing over a lot here because it's complex and would require a much longer explanation as to why he seems to be set to be a US international.
For more on that discussion, I'd suggest searching around big soccer. This thread is a decent place to start.
I was under the impression that the US does not allow dual nationality - that is to say, if someone is born abroad and qualifies for US citizenship, but they actively chose to adopt another country's nationality (passports issued etc), then the US will not allow them to claim citizenship until they renounce all other nationalities first.
That is a common belief but is not true. My wife is a dual Swiss and US citizen. She is also working on Spanish citizenship through me (which is more difficult and she will ultimately be renouncing her US citizenship to do it). She was born to a Swiss mother and an American father in Switzerland, allowing her to have both citizenships.
It is possible, it is just difficult and a bit of a process.
Which citizenship did she have first? I know that if you start off as a US citizen it is possible to gip the system and acquire a second nationality without sacrificing the US nationality - it relies on your 2nd statehood being with a country which does not require you to revoke ant other citizenships first.
Without getting too far into the minutia, she was technically both instantaneously. I know that sounds strange but the way both requirements are implemented she needed only complete the process to acknowledge both citizenships. Regardless, however, her mother is now a dual citizen and she was originally Swiss, of course.
It really depends on the originating country's citizenship laws and the relationship the US has with that country (as unfortunate as that reality is at times (ie. it is much, much, much easier to become a US citizen from Switzerland than it is from Mexico).
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So I wanted to see if we could keep all the American DP talk here in one place. Maybe one of the nice Admins can move all the USA DP talk from the other thread here.
Anyways, I think we all care about US players but the best Americans will cost a DP. Certainly 1 DP is worth a spend on a USMNT player.
But which one?
Would Diskerud cost a DP?
What do you think?
Anyways, I think we all care about US players but the best Americans will cost a DP. Certainly 1 DP is worth a spend on a USMNT player.
But which one?
Would Diskerud cost a DP?
What do you think?
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http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?threads/american-dps-for-nycfc.936/
Any chance the Admins can move the USA player talk from here to the new thread?
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Diskerud would be a DP for sure.
Other possible targets are;
Altidore- tore it up in the dutch league. Would tear up MLS along side villa.
Johansson- signed a contract extension with AZ - doubt he will leave, but would be an awesome signing.
Jones- has been flirting with MLS. Could be a hell of a defensive mid here.
Bedoya- had a good season with nantes- but we could get more star power out of our DP spot.
if he wasn't so injury prone id make a play for "American" Rossi.
Other possible targets are;
Altidore- tore it up in the dutch league. Would tear up MLS along side villa.
Johansson- signed a contract extension with AZ - doubt he will leave, but would be an awesome signing.
Jones- has been flirting with MLS. Could be a hell of a defensive mid here.
Bedoya- had a good season with nantes- but we could get more star power out of our DP spot.
if he wasn't so injury prone id make a play for "American" Rossi.
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If so then that would be ideal. He is a free agent so that can only help the chances of it happening.
I was thinking big here:
Landon Donovan?
Jermaine Jones?
Brek Shea???
Jozy Altidore?
Josh Gatt?
Brad Guzan?
Aron Johannsson?
Alejendro Bedoya?
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here is an interesting article though. Although im not sure of the credibility of the source.
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/24/report-mix-diskerud-targeted-by-new-york-city-fc/
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/24/report-mix-diskerud-targeted-by-new-york-city-fc/
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1) doubt LA let landon donovan go. And landon donovan isn't a fan of new york. He prefers to live in california.
2) JJ- wouldn't mind seeing him here.
3) brek shea- had one good season; not sure if he is DP quality.Id rather give his friend Agudelo a DP contract.
4) jozy- would LOVE him here.
5) joshua gatt- wouldn't cost DP money, but he is injured a lot
6) Brad guzan- if we are getting a goal keeper for Dp I want time howard
7) AJ- would love Mr. Kevin Bacon here
8) we could do better IMO than bedoya
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