2018 General MLS Transfer Rumors
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Whole league is improving substantially. The better teams in 2018 will mostly not be those with the best returning core, but those that added the best pieces in the off season.
I think the parity balance in this league is a lot more delicate than most people think too. The teams that are consistently getting better are already at the top. And they've been given more tools.
Toronto set the record for most points in a season. I think it could be broken a few more times in the next five years. In fact, I'm thinking Atlanta breaks it next season, cracking 70. We'll break 60 easily, as will Toronto.
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Well then I hope I hope we already earned our spot in the 2019 CCL is that's the case.
Mix? He currently belongs to MLS as a FA, on loan to Swedish team, correct?
Orlando continues to find ways to embarrass themselves. Star player in Turkey getting a physical, posted over social media, and The Club Torn Down by Kreis is claiming no transfer is taking place. It’s not even a popcorn event - they’re just a crap-ass organization that can’t seem to align their vision with the players’ ambition.
r/MLS fans are saying this is Castillo all over again. MLS needs to learn how to sell players properly.
Larin is under contract. There is no fee agreement. Bestikas and Larin are acting like assholes to publicize this as a done deal with a physical and him putting on the jersey when there is no deal.
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Sounds like the dispute is over a club option year.
http://www.espn.com/soccer/major-le...ts-to-besiktas-claims-of-deal-with-cyle-larin
Larin and Bestikas are trying to pressure Orlando and MLS into letting Larin walk away for no transfer fee. Unless the option really does not exist or is invalid, this is terrible unethical behavior by both.
http://www.espn.com/soccer/major-le...ts-to-besiktas-claims-of-deal-with-cyle-larin
Larin and Bestikas are trying to pressure Orlando and MLS into letting Larin walk away for no transfer fee. Unless the option really does not exist or is invalid, this is terrible unethical behavior by both.
Option or not, seems like Larin doesn’t want to play for Kreis and Company. A player doesn’t make a push like this if he respects the org and the coach.
Larin has been pushing for a move for like 18 months. I am the first to blame Kreis for stuff here at NYCFC, but this is all about Larin.
Besiktas is unethical and they are not negotiating in good faith.
I also read this weekend that Besiktas has no interest in paying a fee for Larin. So if Orlando says our asking price is $250k, Besiktas will walk.
Larin pushed for this and I don't see how he's let out of his contract without renumeration. He very well may end up back in Orlando to start the year. Disaster for him. What a knucklehead
If a guy wants out for 18months, it means he’s really not happy. I would not want a disgruntled employee who could half-ass his job. Orlando may be right, but sometimes being right is actually being wrong.
At some point you just have to cut your losses. If they would have sold him already they'd have avoided this entire situation.
I looked into the issue with the option years. It does seem Besiktas and Larin have an argument, but I still don't like what they're doing. Basically FIFA does discourage club options and has been getting stricter over time. There is a vague rule that does not provide much guidance, and the specifics come from arbitration rulings. Also the history is that Europe started the trend against club options, and has been imposing it on other regions. South American leagues used to have such options all the time but have mostly dropped them due to FIFA decisions.
What I don't like is that this is posing as a labor-friendly regulation, but really it advances the interests of big stars and big clubs while doing little to help the type of players who really need labor protection and it is deadly to small clubs in small leagues who develop talent.* I also don't like that the rules change with every arbitration and it's something like a 5-part test that can provide no guidance to anyone and lets the arbitrators do whatever they want in the next dispute. And the history of these disputes is exactly what Besiktas is trying to do here. A player reaches his option year and the big club from another country (the arbitration system and FIFA only get to intervene if it's an international transfer) just signs him for no fee and dares the smaller club to sue them. Even if they win the arbitration they probably get less than they would have in a non-coerced negotiation. For legitimate small clubs that really develop a true talent they end up in no-win situation. They can't sign a kid to a long term mutually guaranteed contract that pays him well in later years because they can't afford to spend the money if he does not develop as they hoped. So they sign a deal with escalating salary but the club holds the option, which theoretically benefits both sides fairly but FIFA is on a path to making that impossible. As a result, highly talented players and big clubs get what they want without having to compensate the small clubs who developed the player. Meanwhile this rule does nothing for journeyman players like Ethan White and RJ Allen who just get cut or MLS draftees who never catch on like Connor Brandt. And what this did over the course of decades was let mostly European clubs take talent from South America without paying a fee to the South American clubs.
* I acknowledge that Orlando -- or any MLS team who drafts a player from college -- is not the best poster boy for this concern.
What I don't like is that this is posing as a labor-friendly regulation, but really it advances the interests of big stars and big clubs while doing little to help the type of players who really need labor protection and it is deadly to small clubs in small leagues who develop talent.* I also don't like that the rules change with every arbitration and it's something like a 5-part test that can provide no guidance to anyone and lets the arbitrators do whatever they want in the next dispute. And the history of these disputes is exactly what Besiktas is trying to do here. A player reaches his option year and the big club from another country (the arbitration system and FIFA only get to intervene if it's an international transfer) just signs him for no fee and dares the smaller club to sue them. Even if they win the arbitration they probably get less than they would have in a non-coerced negotiation. For legitimate small clubs that really develop a true talent they end up in no-win situation. They can't sign a kid to a long term mutually guaranteed contract that pays him well in later years because they can't afford to spend the money if he does not develop as they hoped. So they sign a deal with escalating salary but the club holds the option, which theoretically benefits both sides fairly but FIFA is on a path to making that impossible. As a result, highly talented players and big clubs get what they want without having to compensate the small clubs who developed the player. Meanwhile this rule does nothing for journeyman players like Ethan White and RJ Allen who just get cut or MLS draftees who never catch on like Connor Brandt. And what this did over the course of decades was let mostly European clubs take talent from South America without paying a fee to the South American clubs.
* I acknowledge that Orlando -- or any MLS team who drafts a player from college -- is not the best poster boy for this concern.
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ManU and Mata are currently in an option Year situation. The club has not exercised it yet, and with only the remainder of the EPL before his contract expires, Mata is allowed to negotiate a pre-contract with another club. If he gets one inplace before ManU exercises their option, the club loses out and Mata is free to go to his new club.
If Orlando hasn’t officially exercised their option, and Larin has fulfilled his contract duration (base + 1st option Year or whatever has already been agreed to), then he’d be in the same position as Mata with a race to get something penned. No idea if Orlando has officially exercised the option or not.
Regardless, my prior point still remains that any org that wants a disgruntled employee to stick around is playing with fire and gets what they deserve.
Orlando exercised the option.
https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017...cline-contract-options-nocerino-barnes-powers
Fine. I agree. There just is no evidence that is relevant here. Orlando wants a fee, and otherwise supports him moving. They've said that going back to last season and only took a hard line after the Besiktas jersey photo aired. Here is Orlando last year:
"If there's an opportunity for him to move that he wants to pursue and we receive an acceptable offer from the club, then of course we'll try to make everyone happy. So, he's under contract for two more years, but we understand if there's an opportunity for him to go that we agree with then, yes, I think we'll definitely help support him."
http://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-t...er-cyle-larin-says-hes-leaving-mls-for-europe
"But the MLS club is clearly not going to let Larin leave on a free transfer when it believes it is entitled to a fee."
http://www.espn.com/soccer/major-le...ts-to-besiktas-claims-of-deal-with-cyle-larin
Orlando's recent statement saying it expects Larin to show up to camp is completely defensive. Once Larin and Besiktas pull PR stunt with the photo of him in the Besiktas jersey, Orlando can't continue to say "We support him moving." It would be game over then. MLS is lucky if Besiktas throws $100k their way. Besiktas pulled a BS hardline move and MLS/Orlando has to respond in kind. Besiktas is trying to steamroll Orlando and MLS through what should be a routine transfer fee negotiation.
Sure, but they wouldn't have received the full allocation of GAM for selling him. Blame Orlando all you want, but they are like 7th on the list of who to blame here.
Blame Larin for signing an MLS contract and being a scumbag about it.
Blame Larin's agent for trying to peddle the player overseas knowing he had a contract already.
Blame Besiktas for interfering with a player under contract.
Blame the MLSPU for agreeing to contracts with team options.
Blame MLS for the archaic contract terms.
Blame MLS for not giving teams the full profit from selling a player abroad.
Blame Orlando for not cutting their losses earlier.
I mentioned this in another thread, but it looks like NJRB is willing to spend 10 Million+ this season on transfer fees. They have lined up the Romero deal for $6 Million. They are also in for another young South American winger (forget his name) with a summer move in the works - rumored to be about $5 Million
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